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Jay Flemma

Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« on: July 16, 2007, 08:56:26 PM »
So as many of you know I'm doing a piece on overnighting at Bethpage.

Do any of you have nice stories or interesting events they want to share?

Kyle Harris

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2007, 09:09:34 PM »
Jay,

I learned a rather hard lesson doing my first overnight. On a whim, I decided to drive up from Philly early one evening to play the Black. I talked about it all day at work and departed around 8PM, getting there at roughly 11:30PM after my first experience with NYC.

I was first in line and VERY excited to be. I kinda walked around as nobody was there yet except for a guy who apparently lives out of a conversion van in the Parking Lot (he's been there all 3 times I've done the overnight lot). Adrenaline was rushing and the atmosphere had this wonderful eeriness to it. I think I may have gotten 2 hours of sleep and kept being woken up by cars pulling up.

At about 5:45 the park service employee pulled up and waved me to the front of the line. I rolled down my window and he asked which course...

"Black Course, single"

The response is not something I wanted to hear at 5:45 in the morning:

"The Black Course is closed today for an outing."

"...oh"

I decided to play the Red, but was extremely annoying and the fatigue caught up to me so I walked off after chipping in on the 4th from the 18th tee of the Black for a birdie. A decision I would later regret as I came to consider the Red Course an fine complement and in some ways superior to the Black Course.

I returned and tussled with the Black Course two weeks later for the first time and had the distinction of again being the first in line, and in the first group.

I lived my dream of breaking the silence on the Black Course on September 23, 2003 by busting my tee shot down the middle right to the turn from the Black Tee.

I shot 77 that day, which turned out to be my finest round on the Black Course in the 3 times I've played it.

The moral of the story: call ahead, make sure the course is open and play.

Coincidentally, our second overnight we brought sleeping bags and slept in the bed of my friend's truck. It was a warm August night and a very enjoyable experience.

My dream is to hold something of a tailgate.

Tim Bert

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2007, 09:32:38 PM »
Kyle - I had an experience that easily could have turned into your story.  We planned a vacation day from work about two months in advance of our anticipated play date at the Black.  We talked about it, got excited about it, and did everything except verify that far in advance that our vacation day wasn't going to waste.  The day before the trip someone had the bright idea that we should call or check online to make sure the course wasn't closed.  We found out that the NY State Open was being held on the course the day we planned to play, with a little more than 36 hours notice.  We ended up spending the day in Rhode Island at Newport National.  All things considered, not the worst way to spend a day away from work, but it still stings that after 6 years in CT, I never found the right time to make it down to Bethpage.  Now I find myself a flight AND and overnight stay in a car away...  

Phil_the_Author

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2007, 10:41:09 PM »
Jay, here are three very different overnight Bethpage stories reprinted with permission by the author from his book, "Golf for the People: Bethpage and the Black."

He says to feel very free to use them however you might like...


      It is Saturday morning outside the Bethpage State Park golf clubhouse, a typical weekend morning as the sun shows his glory over the rooftops. Of a sudden, all eyes turn; it appears that a fistfight has broken out in the front courtyard. The sounds of grunts and pain follow the sharp slapping as fist meets face. Some encouragement to each comes from the crowd of onlookers, no one attempting to stop the fisticuffs by leaving their place in line. When sanity finally takes over, and some good Samaritans at last help pull them apart, the cause of this altercation comes into question. What would cause two otherwise mature gentlemen to fight in front of the clubhouse at Bethpage State Park at five o’clock in the morning?
      These two gentlemen who fought, over what turned out to be which man had the earlier spot in line, ended up spending the night in jail. They never did get to play.

                                 x-x-x-x-x-x

      There was the poor guy who spent the night in his car waiting the dawns early light as well as an early tee time. This gentleman had looked forward to this round for months. He and his wife had come to Long Island to visit his wife’s family. Being a true golf fanatic he had decided that this would be his chance to finally play the Black, a course he had heard about and had wanted to play for several years. As he stood on the first tee the thrill of playing the course energized and inspired him. He hit what he described as one of the longest drives of his life, the ball carrying past the last tree on the right side and coming to a stop in the center of the fairway. There was actually some applause for this magnificent drive.
      His feelings of adrenaline-inspired joy lasted until he was halfway down the hill from the tee. As he strode strongly forward his foot somehow found a soft spot in the slope and his legs went out from under him. He found himself tumbling downhill a short ways. What finally stopped him was a small hole that his right toe found itself wedging in. Needless to say, it was not the word fore that he found himself screaming as pain went shooting up his right leg to his brain from his knee.
      He was helped to his feet by the other members of his foursome and tried to put pressure on his leg. Every time he took a step he felt searing pain shooting up through his leg. Finally and despite all of his efforts, he had to be helped back up to the tee. Pride and embarrassment caused him to decline the offer of an ambulance. He insisted that all he did was twist his knee a little and would be okay. The park personnel helped him to his car and so he left.
      As he drove, the pain in his leg started to increase and grow more severe, seemingly moment by moment. As tears were now welling up in his eyes he decided that he couldn’t take it any longer and headed to the hospital. It turned out that he had broken his kneecap and torn ligaments. As he waited for the surgeon who would rebuild his knee he called his wife.
      “Honey,” he said, “a funny thing happened at the first tee…”
      In all the years and all the trips back to New York to visit the in-laws, he hasn’t been back to Bethpage since.

                                  x-x-x-x-x-x

      October of 2001 saw the opening of the new movie “FireDancer.” Jawed Wassel, a 42 year-old Afghan filmmaker had spent the previous six years working on this autobiographical story of an Afghan youth who eventually leaves his village and settles down to live in New York.
      This film must have been a labor of love for Mr. Wassel who himself was smuggled out by his mother after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Prior to coming to New York he lived in Germany and France, and obviously with the things he had gone through in his childhood, life had not been overly kind to him. Yet he managed to rise above it all and become an accomplished filmmaker.
      The night of the premier arrived and with it all the excitement and pride that goes along with such an occasion. Among the people attending the showing was a Mr. Nathan Powell. Mr. Powell was one of the movie’s primary producers and financiers. That night he was supposed to receive thirty percent of the movie’s gross. Evidently there was some sort of misunderstanding or disagreement about the money, and an argument followed.
      Soon the argument turned violent and a fight ensued, with Mr. Powell smashing Mr. Wassel in the throat with a pool cue. The violence didn’t end there. Mr. Powell allegedly then stabbed Mr. Wassel, killing him. Now the reality of what occurred stared him in the face; he would have to dispose of the body. How would he do this?
      Not to make this story any more gruesome than is necessary, I will only say that he then took a hacksaw and dismembered Poor Mr. Wassel’s body. He placed the body parts and put them into two different boxes; all of them, that is, with the exception of the head. He put that in the refrigerator of his home.
      The day after the killing, Mr. Powell loaded the boxes of body parts into a van; he was going to rid himself of the evidence. He climbed in and proceeded to drive to Bethpage State Park.
      Police Officer Peter McGinn out on routine patrol, spotted the van as it was entering Bethpage State Park and decided to pull it over. It was being driven very suspiciously, the lights were turned off and it was weaving erratically. As he walked up to the van he looked in one of the windows and saw a shovel, a pickaxe and one of the bloody boxes. As Officer McGinn so eloquently put it, “I knew I wasn’t dealing with somebody going home from work.”
      Mr. Powell was arrested and at this moment is awaiting trial. [That was at the time of the book’s writing. I have no idea how things turned out for him.]
      One can only wonder where he would have buried the remains. I like to think that the perfect spot would have been in the waste bunker that stretches forever in front of the seventh tee of the Black would have been most apropos. Large, deep and massive, with sand as far as the eye can see, it is where many a fine drive has died just short of the fairway.


Dan Herrmann

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 07:30:23 AM »
It's not an overnight...
Growing up and learning to play at a NY State Parks golf in Grand Island, NY  in Erie County - right on the Ontario border, and a LONG way from Long Island.

Everybody knew about Bethpage.  Not a lot, but we knew it was the ultimate public golf experience in NYS.   We talked about it and wanted to play it.   I went to school at SUNY/Buffalo and we had a lot of kids from Long Island there, and they'd all talk about Bethpage.

But for a kid paying his own way through college, it would have been an awfully expensive trip.

So - how DO I get onto Bethpage Black today?

Eric Franzen

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 08:33:03 AM »

So - how DO I get onto Bethpage Black today?

Go out there as a single on a weekday if you can. Did that twice last year and teed off within 20 minutes the first time and 90 minutes the second, if I remember correctly.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007, 08:33:15 AM by Eric Franzen »

Jim Colton

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 12:38:02 PM »
This thread is killing me because I had planned to be camping out at Bethpage TONIGHT for my first time playing the course tomorrow, but my work plans changed and I had to postpone.  I hate it when work gets in the way of golf.  Hopefully I can get back out later this year.

Richard Choi

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 04:46:12 PM »
The first time I played Bethpage, I was visiting my brother in NJ and we decided the time was good as any to tackle the Black Beauty.

So, on early Sunday morning about 2:30AM, we drove out to Long Island. We got there around 4:00AM and the parking lot didn't look too bad. Then we walked to the clubhouse and there were about 120 people waiting for the clubhouse to open.

"Oh! FUDGE!" we say to ourselves as we figure our chances of playing the Black is practically nil. But since we were there already and there were other fabulous courses to be played so we wait for the clubhouse to open and we took our chances.

Sure enough, many of the people waiting in line were playing courses other than the Black and when it was our turn, there were 4 two-some spots still open. We took the 11:20AM spot paid for our round and went back to the car to get some sleep.

An interesting thing about the Black is how strict they are with the tee times. The person who sold us the tee time said we MUST check in with the starter 30 minutes before the tee time or our tee time will be given away. So there are always a group of guys hanging out at the first tee.

When we teed off, there must have been at least 15 to 20 guys hanging out by the first tee. AND THOSE GUYS ARE RUTHLESS :). There were many jeers and catcall and "what the hell is this guy doin' heeya" whenever someone hit a "less than impressive" tee shot.

MAN, that was the most nervous I have ever been at a first tee! Luckily, that was one of the BEST driving days I ever had and my first tee shot was right down the middle about 250 yards away. Even got some smattering of "nice shot" which made me feel great.

Unfortunately, my irons were not as kind and I ended up shooting 97, but that was the best 97 I ever shot.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007, 04:47:15 PM by Richard Choi »

Jay Flemma

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 05:00:42 PM »
Well I hit my tee shot into the firtst fairway of the green and as I was walking  back to fwy 1 of the black, I got hit by a tee shot of some guy on 1 green...

He yelled it was MY FAULT for not getting out of the way fast enough...

Eric Franzen

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007, 05:06:42 PM »

He yelled it was MY FAULT for not getting out of the way fast enough...

A true New York moment!

Jay Flemma

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007, 05:23:15 PM »
"Hey!  I woulda gotten twenty more yards if you;d have moved your dumb a$$"

That's New York...you play in the street, you dodge the cars.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007, 05:25:20 PM by Jay Flemma »

Adam Clayman

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2007, 05:33:34 PM »
There was only one place in Chicagoland that has/had a similar experience. At the old Forest Preserve National course one needed to get in line for a weekend tee time at 2:30 a.m.
I only did it once and we were a two car caravan. I remember there was this Lawyer who happen to be wearing his business raincoat and one of those almost bucket like hats. The guy looked like the spitting image of Cheif Inspector Clouseau.
 It was that 3 hour wait for the gates to open where we penned his eventual life long nickname... Chief Inspector Strange.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Andy Levett

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2007, 05:45:58 PM »
Around the time of the Bethpage Open, one of the establishment writers penned a very funny piece based on the idea Tiger, Phil et al had to get in line and crash (sleep) in the car together to assure their tee-time.
Like to see a link to that again.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007, 05:57:47 PM by Andy Levett »

David Miller

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007, 06:04:16 PM »

Last summer I had an interesting ride out to Bethpage on the 4 AM Long Island RR from Penn Station--it was just me with my clubs and train full of hammered Long Island kids on their way back from a big Saturday night out in the city.  I thought I was going to get harrassed but only got some funny looks and a few sneers.  

I lucked out with an overcast day and jumped on the Black with a threesome at 7 AM--best golfing experience of my life!

Jay Flemma

Re:Looking for bethpage overnight experiences
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2007, 06:33:57 PM »
Those are all cool...but what about OVERNIGHTERS?  What kind of grill did you have?  How was the tailgating?  What was the atmosphere like?  How much drinking did you do?  was there a card game?

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