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Aaron Katz

How was We-Ko-Pa?
« on: December 17, 2006, 02:42:23 PM »
I know that at least several GCA members played there this weekend.  So, how was it?  

In particular:  (1)  Was it an enjoyable layout?  (2)  How wide are the fairways?  Is it a target golf course?  (3)  How were the conditions?  Firm and fast, or soggy and still growing in?  If the latter, did that compromise the enjoyment of it?  (4)  What was the pace of play like?

bakerg

Re:How was We-Ko-Pa?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 03:51:17 PM »
Just got back from teeing up there yesterday.  I didn't realize there was a contignent out there.  I had the last tee time of the day so the pace was great.

As for the course, I thought it was fantastic.  There were a couple of huge wide open fairways.  The course did not remind me of a desert courses with the exception of a few holes.  It felt like a C&C course with a desert backdrop.  Great par 3's, fun short par 4's, etc. etc.  I thought the bunkering was unique for a C&C course as well.  Much less of the shaggy bunkers that they like to use.  

All in all a fun course that is definately worth a play.  I would place it here in my C&C rankings:

Sand Hills
Friars Head
We Ko Pa
Bandon Trails


bakerg

Re:How was We-Ko-Pa?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 03:57:55 PM »
Sorry, I didn't answer all your questions.

2. Nope, not target golf.  Plenty of room to create different angles of attack.

3.Conditions were great.  Firm greens that rolled very true.  

One other thing, it was one of the most peaceful rounds of golf I played this year.  The views are great.  You could see for miles and there was not a sound to be heard the entire round.  Just serenity and a C&C masterpiece layed out in front of you to enjoy.  

I will post more thoughts later.

Jim Sweeney

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:How was We-Ko-Pa?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2006, 11:16:27 PM »
Great.

There is going to be alot of debate about We-Ko-Pa vs. Talking Stick.

It's late here and I simply don't have the energy right now to write anything too detailed, but here is an overview.

The routing is exceptional. It is very walkable. Many times the walk from a green to the next tee was no more than fifteen to twenty yards, and in many cases the next tee (the back tee in all cases) was contiguous with the previous hole's green complex.

The par threes are all very different. Yardages vary, as mentioned, from 137 to 255. The long par three drops perhaps forty feet, though it doesn't seem like it due to the length. But a well struck four wood got me to hole high. The green slopes front right to back left, aiding the shot.

A most interesting characteristic are the five very short par fours- all under 330 yards form the tips.

There are a few central bunkers, but most bunkers serve as transition areas from desert to fairway, or as green protection.

I don't recall one hole that required a lofted approach. Maybe the short three no. nine, but there is more room in front than one sees from the tee.

Every hole offers alternative routes. There are some very long par fours on the second nine; they all offer a way to shorten the hole by challenging the desert.

There is no out of bounds.

There is no open water and there are no creeks. Dry, brush filled arroyos fill those roles.

The split fairway par five may be the best of its kind I have played.

There is a preponderance of doglegs left.

There is no pitch to any fairway or green that fights the lay of the land.

Gotta go. More tomorrow.





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Moe Norman

astavrides

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:How was We-Ko-Pa?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2006, 09:18:14 AM »
How many acres of turf are there?  Is watering it going to be an issue?  I understand if its on an indian reservation they don't have the same restrictions, but the water source is probably the same...