#4 at Bethpage is a pretty incredible hole. It is certainly the only three-shotter I know of where the preferred lay up position is actually LONG of the green. Both times I played there I hit pretty big drives for me -- about 280 or so. One time I was on the extreme left side of the fairway. The other time I was left center. Both times I had about 240 to the green, and I just can't imagine being able to hold a shot of that length, going uphill over a bunker to a green that is sloping away. Long right is really the best play, and it's terribly hard to get yourself to do that because you are basically hitting to a blind landing area in that case. Fascinating stuff. #5 is a more "exacting" test, but also much more straightforward, notwithstanding the "pick your poison" nature of the tee shot.