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Brian_Ewen

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Changes at Murcar
« on: January 18, 2006, 12:09:01 AM »
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CHANGES FOR THE BETTER WILL PUSH COURSE INTO MODERN AGE  

11:00 - 17 January 2006
 
North-east golf architect Graeme Webster has been given the opportunity to take Murcar Links into the 21st Century. Graeme reveals why he is relishing the chance to make the first changes to the course since designers Archie Simpson and James Braid.

GOLF courses are living things and they should be evolved over time.

One only needs to look at St Andrews and Augusta to see evidence of this evolution.

Given the relentless development of technology - the designs of yesteryear, in terms of landing areas, green shapes and bunker locations - have become obsolete.

The challenge in evolving a classic Scottish links like Murcar is to re-introduce the strategy of the game.

It is not simply a question of adding length.

Being invited to work at Murcar is a huge privilege.

I have a long association with the club, having been junior champion there on two occasions, and the year I reached the Scottish boys final, I represented Murcar.

Although I did not appreciate it at the time, my design philosophies have been influenced by the raw and natural look of Murcar, a course I must have played hundreds of times.

The initial work will see a superb practice area completed.

The large field behind the clubhouse will be transformed to include a short game practice area of putting, chipping and bunker play greens, a 2000m grass tee and eight covered bays plus a teaching bay.

The outfield has been sculpted to offer visibility down the full length of the range and a number of "greens" will be created at various yardages, creating a golf course experience on the range.

On course, the first phase will see us re-develop four of the existing holes.

At the first, we have introduced two new bunkers, one on the fairway and one at the green.

The fairway bunker better defines the fairway and demands planning of execution and accuracy from the tee.

The greenside bunker has the visual effect of dramatising and defining the entrance to the green, and yet ironically provides the golfer with a greater chance to make par.

At the 13th we are re-aligning the fairway toward the boundary and re-shaping of the hillside will improve the playability, and the look of the hole.

Strengthening the greenside bunkers will increase the challenge to the player.

The work at the 14th hole will re-establish it as a strong par five.

A new back tee and new fairway bunkers will demand a good tee shot, while the long greenside bunker will be altered to prevent the wind blow from which it currently suffers. The consequential re-shape of the left hand side of the green will greatly change the aspect of the approach shot.

The 18th hole, which is probably the weakest of all the par fours on the course, will be lengthened to reintroduce the original landing area. From the current tees, the introduction of new fairway bunkers will test the accuracy of all players.

Every 18th hole should offer a significant challenge and I am confident that the new 18th will do that.

Another element of work involves restoration of the original sight lines on the course.

To do this we are undertaking a management programme of the gorse, which, over the years, has invaded many parts of the course, covering much of the spectacular natural contours and providing a barrier to the golfers view of the fairway.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2006, 10:53:25 AM »
I always felt Murcar was on as good land as Royal Aberdeen. I am not a big fan of Royal Aberdeen so the improvements at Murcar will be appriciated and viewed in person asap. Cruden Bay makes the hear soar. Therefore a good neighbor is a great thing.

Sam Sikes

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2006, 11:43:47 AM »
I am pretty sure that Royal Aberdeen is the Most Overrated course in the British Isles.  I dont get the hype.  I am with Tom Doak in giving it a 5, Max.  I didn't think there was a single interesting green on the  whole golf course, and if you catch it on a day with a north wind, its damn near impossible.  They have added so many new back tees that after every hole, you basically walk halfway back down the last fairway to the next tee.  I understand that it is, i think, the sixth oldest golf club in the world, but what is the real story.  It had to have been redesigned in the early 80's or something.  

On the otherhand, the womens course looked pretty interesting, for what it is.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2006, 12:20:56 PM »
I am pretty sure that Royal Aberdeen is the Most Overrated course in the British Isles.

Sam I'm not being argumentative but it is my self appointed role on this site to keep warning people here that the most overated course in the world is the The Vale Hotel in Wales, even at it's Doak scale score of 0!
Let's make GCA grate again!

Aidan Bradley

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 12:52:59 PM »
Here is my Murcar offering, Hole#5. I got up at 4AM five mornings in a row, drove 45 minutes to get to the course and each morning was met with fog (I believe the correct term is "the har"). Finally got about ten minutes of light. Preferred the course to Royal Aberdeen.

Aidan.


Robert Thompson

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 01:01:26 PM »
During my trip to Scotland in 2003, Murcar was one of the highlights. I found it enjoyable and the front nine had some exceptional holes. The back nine less so, but the hole where you hit off the hillside and then play to a perched green over a creek was also quite good.
Yes, the 18th was dull, but that's true on a lot of links -- looked like they needed to get you back to the clubhouse. The club itself was friendly and we played very quickly. As Doak notes, there are a couple of grand holes on the front and if this architect, who I have never heard of, isn't too heavy handed, he might have a winner of a project.

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Brian Phillips

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2006, 01:19:38 PM »
Graeme is my partner and I will let you know of what changes are to made soon. If we are allowed I will even post the Masterplan with and without the aerial photo.

Cheers,

Brian.
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Brian Phillips

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2006, 01:21:32 PM »
I am pretty sure that Royal Aberdeen is the Most Overrated course in the British Isles.  I dont get the hype.  I am with Tom Doak in giving it a 5, Max.  I didn't think there was a single interesting green on the  whole golf course, and if you catch it on a day with a north wind, its damn near impossible.  They have added so many new back tees that after every hole, you basically walk halfway back down the last fairway to the next tee.  I understand that it is, i think, the sixth oldest golf club in the world, but what is the real story.  It had to have been redesigned in the early 80's or something.  

On the otherhand, the womens course looked pretty interesting, for what it is.

Sam,

Just to let you know, Tom never even played the course.

Brian
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Doug Wright

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2006, 01:40:32 PM »
Like Robert I enjoyed Murcar during our visit last October. A decent course with some excellent holes on the front side after two fairly mundane openers (though the first is being changed). Robert, I think you are referring to the 15th hole over the gully. A nice hole, as is the par 3 that follows. The 18th was a bit of a downer but should be better with the changes proposed.

I'm not clear on this comment regarding the greenside bunker change at the 1st: "The greenside bunker has the visual effect of dramatising and defining the entrance to the green, and yet ironically provides the golfer with a greater chance to make par." Brian, could you enlighten us on what this means?

PS I thought Royal Aberdeen, which we played the same day, was the better course, with fewer weak holes. The greens on either course didn't blow me away.
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Sam Sikes

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2006, 08:44:44 PM »
Brian,

I remember reading that now.  Since I have played it, Im going to give it a 4 on a similar scale.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2006, 08:58:58 PM »
Brian:

I'm curious what has prompted a club like Murcar to pursue considerable changes to its course.

Has Graeme been consulting there for a number of years and they have suddenly given him new license?  Did the committee decide that changes needed to be made and interview architects accordingly?  

Were they losing members, or are they in search of more revenue from overseas visitors and think they need to do something to get some attention?

I am planning to get up there this summer after we get the work at Archerfield underway, so I no longer have to answer for "not having played" Murcar and Balgownie.  I hope I won't have to play any temporary greens!

David_Tepper

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2006, 09:25:40 PM »
Tom Doak -

If you go to www.thisisnorthscotland.com and do a search for Murcar, you should be able to pull up several other articles regarding the situation there. They will not answer all your questions, but it seems like the club needed to generate a little "enthusiasm" of some sort. It looks like they will be sprucing up the clubhouse as well.

One of the articles stated the waiting list for membership there had shrunk to zero. With Royal Aberdeen having gone thru some changes and hosted the Senior British Open, I think Murcar felt they were being left in the dust.

DT

jeffwarne

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2006, 09:38:15 PM »
I played Murcar in the fall of 2004.
Very friendly club.
I loved the naturalness of the course and the turf was pure ,firm, thin, natural links turf-more so than any course I played in that area.
Hopefully the changes will be minimal and maintenance will remain the same,not give way to over irrigation and use of nonlinks turf to satisfy overseas visitors.
The place felt old-difficult to acheive in a renovation.

I thought the routing provided more variety than Royal Aberdeen,although I enjoyed Royal Aberdeen. Royal Aberdeen had multiple consecutive holes routed in the same direction causing many of the tee shots to feel repetitve,particulary on a windy day.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Brian_Ewen

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2006, 11:50:41 PM »
Tom
I think the changes are more to do with Murcar winning a 'Challenge Tour ' event this year , and looking to hold similar events in the future .

For a long time Murcar was closed to new members and had a large waiting list , then a few years back , they found themselves with many spaces . They advertised in the local newspaper for members , and got much more than they needed .

Since then they seem to have driven forward with a new clubhouse being built along with these changes to the course.

I always thought Murcar was a bit of a sleeper , and considered it fantastic value for us local guys , but of course with all these changes , we are bound to see the green fee's increase along with their newly found status .

Brian
Is this the first time Graeme has worked on a links course ? .

Best Regards.
Brian

Brian Phillips

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2006, 02:36:32 PM »
Brian:

I'm curious what has prompted a club like Murcar to pursue considerable changes to its course.
As some have explained, the club were losing possible income due to lack interest in the membership and they had also been told that the course had to be lengthened if they were to be considered for any major national or international competitions.

Has Graeme been consulting there for a number of years and they have suddenly given him new license?  Did the committee decide that changes needed to be made and interview architects accordingly?  
No, Graeme has not been consulting there for years but he knows the course better than any other architect in the world as it was his home club as a kid when he considered turning pro.  The Secretary decided together with the club that they were going to have to make changes and Graeme was asked to make a proposal. Graeme came up with a proposal of upgrading the training area.  It was only after the great work we did on the training area that he was also asked to look at the course. He put forward a Masterplan and this was accepted by the club.

Were they losing members, or are they in search of more revenue from overseas visitors and think they need to do something to get some attention?
I hope I answered this above. The other thing that everyone has to remember it that no major changes have been made to the course really since James Braid in the thirties. Graeme was the best choice as the architect as I said before, NO other architect in the world knows the course better than him.

I am planning to get up there this summer after we get the work at Archerfield underway, so I no longer have to answer for "not having played" Murcar and Balgownie.  I hope I won't have to play any temporary greens!
There shouldn't be any temporary greens as the work is well underway and they have just received a Challenge Tour event. Let us know when you are there and Graeme and I will hook up with you.  I have not seen any of the finished work yet but should be on site soon.  Graeme is on site everyday and it is his men from Team Niblick that are doing the construction.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2006, 02:41:37 PM by Brian Phillips »
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Brian Phillips

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2006, 02:43:33 PM »
Tom
I think the changes are more to do with Murcar winning a 'Challenge Tour ' event this year , and looking to hold similar events in the future .

For a long time Murcar was closed to new members and had a large waiting list , then a few years back , they found themselves with many spaces . They advertised in the local newspaper for members , and got much more than they needed .

Since then they seem to have driven forward with a new clubhouse being built along with these changes to the course.

I always thought Murcar was a bit of a sleeper , and considered it fantastic value for us local guys , but of course with all these changes , we are bound to see the green fee's increase along with their newly found status .

Brian
Is this the first time Graeme has worked on a links course ? .
Brian, this is Graeme's third or fourth links course but of course none as prestigious as Murcar. They have also changed the name to Murcar Links now.

Best Regards.
Brian
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Mike_Sweeney

Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2006, 09:55:23 PM »

SPDB

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Re:Changes at Murcar
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2006, 10:16:55 PM »
I have a host of pictures from my round at Murcar last month that I can post to accompany Mike's link of the proposed changes for those that are interested.

I definitely agree with the proposed change to #7 to try to bring the lower lying area up the right side. I would applaud any efforts that would bring back the look of the hole as it appears on the cover of the scorecard. I'm not sure what a bunker in the hillside would add though.

I am having trouble visualizing some of the other changes, but would like to hear more about them from Brian. For instance, I don't get what is meant by "swailing" fairways (e.g. the 11th) to give shorter hitters better opportunities. The course possesses a TON of blind shots which create immense difficulty that IMO obviate somewhat the need for added fairway bunkers.

Lastly, how many of these changes have already been implemented?

To get a sense of the blindness, here are a couple of shots of the 11th hole from tee to green:

From the tee:


Where a shortish drive might end up:


Approach:


Looking around the hill toward the green: