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Jim Nugent

Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2006, 06:32:30 AM »


A physician called in to the radio show, reporting a study where apparently the use of steroids greatly improved motor skills and coordination in test subjects.

So it is not just muscle build; it is also the motor skills that steroids can improve.

No surprise to me.


I'd love to see and analyze that study.  Until then, it will surprise me if steroids help motor skills at all.  

Villegas could definitely gain 25 pounds of muscle, without using drugs.  But gaining muscle itself should not be the goal.  Bodybuilders have massive muscles, because that is what their workouts produce.  They are nowhere near as strong as weightlifters (Olympics) or powerlifters.  

One thing steroids do is help you work out more often, at a higher intensity.  Your body recovers faster.  I think steroids would most help the gym rats.

Doug: actually, boobs are a common side effect for men who use steroids.  Afraid that does not let Phil off the hook.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2006, 06:34:01 AM by Jim Nugent »

Matt_Cohn

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Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2006, 01:56:03 AM »
Just wanted to bump this one up as I've been doing some research for my own purposes on creatine over the last few days.

From what I've read, creatine is effective for about 80% of people in increasing strength and muscle mass if used appropriately with a solid workout routine. For some people the results are fairly dramatic; on the other hand, some people just don't respond to it.

One downside of creatine is that many people will lose a great deal of their strength and muscle mass if/when they stop taking creatine. A lot of it seems to be "water weight", and real strength, but only as long as creatine use continues.

Duval did state in a Golf Digest article in 2002 that he tried creatine. His justification was that it could benefit fast twitch muscles and increase his overall strength. He said he didn't see significant results. As hard as he worked out at that time, you'd have to think that he was just part of that 20% who don't respond much to creatine.

Does anyone know of tournament golfers using creatine?
If any of you reading have used it, how did it affect your game (and your body)?
Does the NCAA have a problem with creatine?

It's hard to imagine that Woods, Howell, and Villegas all used supplements, yet they all gained 20-25 pounds of muscle. They also all worked very, very hard. It's also hard to imagine that nobody has tried creatine or other supplements, at least legal ones.

Anyway, it's a topic of interest to me, and I'd love to hear some responses.

Dan_Callahan

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Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2006, 11:36:20 AM »
Bringing this one back after getting some interesting results on a launch monitor. Last fall as I was getting fitted for clubs, I spent about an hour on an EDH FlightScope launch monitor with my driver. My swing speed averaged about 106 mph.

Since September, I have been on a pretty hardcore weightlifting program. I've been working out at least 5 days a week, using heavy weights with somewhat low reps. For example, on the bench I will start with 265 pounds at 4 reps, then drop to 245 and 6 reps, then 225 at 8 reps twice and 205 at 12 reps twice.

I follow a similar drop-set pattern with other exercises as well. The result has been a significant gain in muscle mass, something the old-school golfer says would inhibit the golf swing.

Not so. I went back to the launch monitor yesterday. My swing speed has increased to an average of 116 mph and I feel like I am using far less effort.

From this non-scientific test, it is clear to me that a professional golfer stands to gain by adding muscle. With so much at stake, it seems obvious that there must be some professionals who would be tempted to use steroids to achieve such gains quickly and with minimal effort—allowing them to spend more time practicing.

On an unrelated note, the effect of technology was illustrated while I was on the monitor. Using my driver, a 983K, my swing speed averaged 116 mph and my carry distance averaged 262 yards.

I switched to the new Titleist 905R with a Proforce v2 shaft. My swing speed dropped to 111 mph (which the pro said was natural since I wasn't used to the feel of the club). However, my carry distance INCREASED to an average of 268 yards!

The clubhead is so forgiving that my offcenter hits were going much farther with the 905R than they were with my 983K. In other words, with less effort I was getting more distance simply because of the technology (and the additional 100 ccs of clubhead).

Anyway, I know this is off topic (and reads like something you would find on Bombsquadgolf.com), but in my mind at least it proves the point that there is something to be gained by bulking up—golf is no different from any of the other sports where steroids have been a problem. Granted, golfers in general have an admirable honor system that precludes many of them from cheating, but it is naive to believe that someone won't push the envelope. There is too much money at stake to think otherwise.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2006, 02:40:41 PM by Dan_Callahan »

Patrick_Mucci

Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2006, 12:05:29 PM »

I think you guys are discussing the wrong tour.  Have you noticed how many mustaches are on the LPGA tour? ::)
« Last Edit: May 21, 2006, 12:05:46 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Voytek Wilczak

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Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2006, 01:23:37 PM »
LOL.

In the 70s (when I was growing up), many East German women stars in track and field and swimming had mustaches. And they were all we saw on TV.

It's a miracle that I have turned out not to be confused sexually ... ;D

« Last Edit: May 21, 2006, 01:25:27 PM by Voytek Wilczak »

John Kirk

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Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2006, 02:10:27 PM »
Dan,

Shouldn't carry distance be 262 and 268, respectively?  That sounds correct, given your high clubhead speed.

Nice bench press numbers.  Very strong.  I lift regularly.  A regimen of lifting and stretching would help every golfer increase distance, and probably accuracy too.

Dan_Callahan

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Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2006, 02:44:02 PM »
John,

Correct, should be 262 and 268. I fixed the copy.

If it was 162 I think I might have to give up the game.

Interestingly, mine is not a golf specific workout like you would see at a college golf program. Simply an overall strength program, which still results in the noted increased clubhead speed and carry distance.

I've got to believe that a more targeted approach to core strength would produce even more dramatic results.

By the way, you are right about increased accuracy. My dispersion rate yesterday was about 22 yards with my driver. Taking four drives, my missed shots ranged from 15 yards left to 7 yards right of my target.

Of course, that's at a driving range. Put OB right and a hazard left and both my distance and accuracy depreciate significantly.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2006, 02:47:21 PM by Dan_Callahan »

PThomas

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Re:GCA and steroids?
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2006, 08:32:13 PM »
Nick Price took beta blockers at one time
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!