Going UP ?

[Patrick_Mucci]

Should most greens be elevated for drainage and playability purposes ?

[Joe Hancock]

Variety is the spice of life. I cast a vote for "no".

Joe

[Bill_McBride]

I agree with Joe, that can get pretty formula and boring.

The most interesting course at Barton Creek recently in Austin was C&C's Cliffside course, an early effort of theirs.  There was very little evidence of elevated, built up greens.  Most were just sprawled across the existing slopes so drainage appeared quite natural, and at least six of the greens fell from front to back.  Compared with the two Fazios and one Palmer course, it was by far the most natural -- and most fun to play too.  The greens were huge in most cases.

[redanman]

NO

in fact, I personally prefer greens at grade, less "help" to the player

[PThomas]

Variety is the spice of life. I cast a vote for "no".

Joe

I'm scared to admit this , but I agree with Joe

[Patrick_Mucci]

Joe,

You don't find variety if one green is elevated 1', another 3', another 6 ' another 8 ' [size=4x]?[/size]

I notice that most of the C&C greens at Hidden Creek are elevated, some subtle, some not so sublte.

Aren't the greens at TOC mostly elevated ?

NGLA ?

With no elevation, outside of very sandy areas, how would you handle surface drainage ?

[Joe Hancock]

Joe,

You don't find variety if one green is elevated 1', another 3', another 6 ' another 8 '

I'm not sure how having variety doesn't produce variety. Explain?

Joe

[Patrick_Mucci]

Joe,

By mistake, I left off a question mark at the end of that sentence.   I'll correct it.

[A_Clay_Man]

Patrick-
With the preponderance of downhill holes, due to people's apparent affection for vistas, how do you classify their greens? as elevated?  or not?
Sure, they are elevated over the water table, but honestly, if an archie builds a green that is unplayable with just a moderate amount of precipatation, should he be allowed to wear plaid? Forced to wear plaid every day? or flog him/her publically in this forum?