Huck, No one ever said there wasn't turf on either course. Although that inside leg on the 12th at PG gets awefuly close. Before I was haunting the place, I understand that entire hole was choaked by iceplant. So, the conditions are to be somewhat expected in that area, and, are much preferable to the P plant.
The point all along has been to call into question when specific indviduals project a holier than thou attitude as it relates to conditioning. I've been in disagreement before with these assessments at certain courses, and IMO the reporting is not accurate. Also, many times the criticism doesn't take into consideration a region's specific issues, maintenancewise.
Truthfully, It was my hope, NOT to get into little obtuse name calling back and forths, rather try to inform where I see either an inherent bias, or, just plain snooty BS talk. Also, the timing of conditioning comments, made by some, on several courses, has been years old. When in reality it only takes a short period of time to get a course back into shape. Site specific, of course.
P.s.
James, Sorry for the hijack.
Jonathan Shoemaker is one real nice person. Funny you mentioned him, I was just thinking about him yesterday. Jon has one of the more interesting ways to mark his golf ball. He does it to make sure no one ever hits a wrong ball, in his group, especially him. He draws simulated baseball seams and it works very effectively. The reason I thought of him was... I played in my first Nebraska gangsome the other day. It appears the gangsome is something I might have to get use to, and using Jonathan's ball marking method would eliminate one potential problem.