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David Panzarasa

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Agusta members....what do they think?
« on: April 05, 2006, 01:33:22 PM »
I always thought that the membership at Agusta never worried about the outside public. We haev seen that they follow their own rules and do not fall into pressure from the outside. example: letting a woman member in.
 We keep seeing changes to the course, and this year is by far the most vocal the players have been about it. Turning a great course (possibly the best in the world) into a course where even the BEST players in the world are not in love with it.
 That being said, how do the members feel about these changes? There is no chance, there are more then 5 members there that can hit as far as the PGA tour guys, or as consistant as them. If the tour players think it is to hard and to long now, what do the members think? If I were a member i would be livid! why chance my PRIVATE course, to suit the needs to the PGA tour player? and it goes beyond suiting the needs to of the PGA tour player since they dont even like it now. If Fred Funk is saying he has not shot at winning this year, then what memeber there can play the course from the tips? they certainly are not even close to the level Mr. funk is. Yet, they changed the course for the public. I simply dont understand this, am I missing something? They wont fold under pressure to let a woman in, they believe that the course is bigger then the Masters itself, yet they just ruined a perfect course because they are worried about the Pros coming in and shooting decent scores. YET, the scores have really never got that much better in how many years? the reason the course is just so good is because length will not beat that course, yet some people there think it has.
 I am going off here,,,,my main question is what do the members think of this? If the pros cant do it, and dont like it, why would the members? Their not half the players the pros are, so shooting in the 90's and 100's is fine with them when they play the rest of the year?
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Sean Leary

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 01:35:02 PM »
Since the average member is 70ish, and the member tees are 6200 yards, I don't think it affects them that much at all.
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 01:36:24 PM »
David:

The members still have their own tees to play from no?  I thought those hadn't changed at all.

I'm sure some aren't happy about some of the trees added, but oh well, what can you do?  Re the "second cut", isn't it that way just for the Masters?

People who've played there keep reminding us the Masters'
conditions exist just for this one week in April, and perhaps a short time leading up to it.  Apparently it's a very different course for the months prior when it is open for member play.

Maybe I have this wrong... I don't know.  But if I'm a member and the tees I play haven't changed, what do I care if they add some crazy back ones for the pros?

TH

ps to Sean - great minds, my friend.  ;)
pss - same to you, Mark!  ;D
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 01:37:29 PM by Tom Huckaby »
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Mark Arata

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 01:36:30 PM »
I have never been to Augusta, but from what I have read, am I correct in my understanding that from the members tees, the course hasnt drastically changed? I thought that the vast majority of changes only really effect the PGA bombers from the very back tees.
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David Panzarasa

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 01:47:31 PM »
OH ok, the members tees are the same, I did not know that. Thank you
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Matt MacIver

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 01:49:04 PM »
Wasn't the course primarily built to host an international all-world tournament?  That clubs lives for the next four days; Members just help fill out the other six months of times on the tee sheet.  
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Pete Lavallee

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 01:54:23 PM »
The strange thing is there are no middle tees; play the members at 6200 or the tips at 7400. The Committee obliterates the previous Master's tees when they install new ones. Surely someone would enjoy playing from, say the tees used in 1986.
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 02:00:30 PM »
Quote from: Pete Lavallee on April 05, 2006, 01:54:23 PM
The strange thing is there are no middle tees; play the members at 6200 or the tips at 7400. The Committee obliterates the previous Master's tees when they install new ones. Surely someone would enjoy playing from, say the tees used in 1986.

I was wondering about that - thanks, Pete.  Of course guests would dare lto question such things even less than the members do (if they're smart), but isn't it kinda strange they don't leave some tees at 6900 or so?  What's the harm?

You're right on, btw.  If I ever go there, I'm imitating Jack, not Tiger.  Those 1986 distances are a teeny bit closer to my reality.

TH
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 02:00:54 PM by Tom Huckaby »
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David Lott

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 02:10:43 PM »
They think (1) it's none of our business what they think and (2) they don't care what we think.

It is, after all, their club and not ours.
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Tom Huckaby

Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2006, 02:12:06 PM »
Quote from: David Lott on April 05, 2006, 02:10:43 PM
They think (1) it's none of our business what they think and (2) they don't care what we think.

It is, after all, their club and not ours.

David - of course all of that is true.

But it's a rather public place, at least this week.  Isn't it fair to speculate about these things, just out of curiousity?  Of course no action is expected to come from such speculations.

TH
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Steve Lapper

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 02:20:00 PM »
They only care enough to not piss Hootie off.  :o
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Steve Lapper

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2006, 02:22:10 PM »
The real culprit here is the Fazio PGA/Tournament group. They come in to venues to measure the various shot distances and locations, couple them with club's used and then determine how to "toughen" things up.

Why isn't any of the heat being cast upon this "service?"
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David Panzarasa

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2006, 02:38:11 PM »
Since I am not a member there...what is Hootie's role there? My family and I belong to 4 privates, and I dont think the President has this kind of power. Where, what he decides is it...his word is the only word?? I highly doubt most private clubs (even the best) have a president that is God, and his word is the only word. So, then the members are then pleased with the idea of these changes as well.
 and an earlier post saying they dont care about the public view, well that is my point! They dont care, so why are they changing it for the public?
« Last Edit: April 05, 2006, 02:39:31 PM by David Panzarasa »
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Bob_Huntley

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2006, 02:44:32 PM »
David,

There are clubs amd then there clubs.


Clubs with equity memberships have a modicum of democratic procedures. Institutions such as the National, Pine Valley and the Cypresses of this world have a czar. Surprisingly they seem to do rather nicely.

Bob
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John Keenan

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2006, 02:48:04 PM »
It was once said that the best form of government is a benevolent dictator

All hail Hootie  
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Jason Topp

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2006, 02:49:43 PM »
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Kirk Gill

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2006, 04:43:47 PM »
The narrowing of 7, the new trees on 11 - Some of the changes will affect even the members, no?
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McCloskey

Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2006, 05:24:46 PM »
From what I am told by members I know, the Chairman, Hootie Johnson, does exactly what he wants to do.   He doesn't consult the members, doesn't care what they think.
There are many that can't wait for him to retire.
Augusta is not a democracy, but a dictatorship.
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David Panzarasa

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2006, 05:39:18 PM »
How did Hootie become president? and i know this is not your normal country club lol, but this is why it shocks me more he is a dictator over these powerful people, and many old school people. So, it is run like that? He is king and that is all? I just find it hard to see that? I can see that with private clubs that dont have the powerful membership this does, especially the good old boys that are members there.  
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Robert Emmons

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Re:Agusta members....what do they think?
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2006, 05:48:42 PM »
Hootie became president because the members asked him to. With all the huge egos of a club like ANGC its mandatory that one person have final say in the best interest of all. This is not a normal proprietery club....RHE
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