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ed_getka

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Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« on: March 15, 2006, 02:27:45 PM »
Anyone have any info on this project out in Kansas? Would it be worth going over to take a look this spring?
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2006, 02:37:58 PM »
It would be worth driving by on your way to Prairie Dunes.   ;D

Seriously, I haven't seen the place, only pictures and descriptions here. I might check it out later this year myself.  

Apparently it opens in May.

http://www.cottonwoodhills.net/news.htm

Looks like the 4th hole has an island green.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2006, 04:02:51 PM »
Ed,

I toured it when building Sand Creek in nearby Newton. I posted a thread of initial thoughts here sometime last year, which you could search for.  There were several impressive natural fw and green sites, well used, IMHO.

However, most who have seen it think it looks very narrow and demanding and also too "modern" with wall to wall paths, "standard" rather than rugged looking bunker and green designs, etc. An example is a formal stone wall fronting a pond on a short par 3.  There are also a few blind lakes where they had to get dirt to build the course above the high water table.  Lastly, it is (or will be) a housing course. I saw the plans and the corridors are only 300 feet wide.  When houses get built, much of the natural dunes will have to disappear, which will take away much of the charm it has now.

That said, there are some wonderful holes and strategies that I could see in dirt. If you are a gca fan, you should probably see it if you can get on.
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ed_getka

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2006, 01:27:43 PM »
Jeff,
   Thanks for the feedback. What about your course Sand Creek, what is going on there?

Craig,
    Just a drive by huh? :) I guess I'll let you be the sacrificial lamb and you can let me know what you think. ;)
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2006, 02:19:34 PM »

Ed,

      If you are in Hutch, there is only one place to be.  ;D  

       I'm sure Cottonwood Hills will be a fine daily fee course but man this is Prairie Dunes we are talking about!! The highlight of my golf year 2005 was 36 holes at Prairie Dunes. What an amazing place.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2006, 02:21:21 PM »
Ed,

I am with Craig, PD is da man!

My Sand Creek course is done and just growing a bit.  You can see a lot from the surrounding development if you care to look.  Highlights might be the 15th, right by the clubhouse road, with its center bunker, the 16th, with its Road Hole green, the Redan 13th and the 12th (near the south entrance) with its NGLA Alps inspiration.......
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2006, 02:28:03 PM »

Jeff,

     How far from Hutch is Newton and in which direction?  Is Sand Creek public or private?  I may go to the US Senior Open at PD later this year and if its not too out of the way I'd check it out.

     PS. I'm sure it hard to believe that 36 holes at PD was more exciting than 18 at Indian Creek with you and Lou last year but it was close. :)
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ed_getka

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2006, 02:28:30 PM »
Guys,
   I know PD is da bomb, but if one is to look elsewhere just out of curiosity? I haven't seen any of Jeff's work yet, so Sand Creek sounds like it is worth a look just to see the Alps and Redan.
Jeff,
    Did you have a decent site to work with? What else did you do there besides the juicy stuff you teased me with? When is the course slated to open?
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Peter_Collins

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2006, 05:24:52 PM »
Hutchinson is approximately 20 miles or so west of Newton on Highway 50.  Cottonwood Hills is about 2 miles north of Highway 50 on Buehler Rd.   Praire Dunes is about 1 mile north and 1 mile west of Cottonwood Hills.  

I'm not sure the area can support another private club (2 in Hutch already) or an upscale daily fee.  It will be interesting to see what happens in the long term with this development.  
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2006, 05:37:25 PM »
Quote from: ed_getka on March 16, 2006, 02:28:30 PM
Jeff,
    Did you have a decent site to work with? What else did you do there besides the juicy stuff you teased me with? When is the course slated to open?

Ed,

...No......I had to create it all, so in addition to the other holes mentioned, the fourth (far north end near the tracks) is a sideways Biaritz, with the swale extending down into the second landing area to give golfers something to do on that shot.  The fifth has an interesting little valley of sin swale, and the ninth is loosely modeled after Ross' Franklin Hills No. 14(?) a shorty four with a very elevated postage stamp green.

It's a pure, affordable (just how affordable, I'm not sure yet)They are trying to open in conjunction with the Open, since a lot of press will be in the area.

Craig,

Sand Creek can be seen from US 50, about two miles west of I 35. Exit Meridian Ave for a better look around.  There are a few similarities of scale to Indian Creek.  You will be glad to know the greens are flatter.......
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ed_getka

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2006, 05:53:01 PM »
Jeff,
   Thanks for the feedback.
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Tom_Doak

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Re:Cottonwood Hills by Faldo et al.
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2006, 07:28:53 PM »
Jeff:  I'm pretty sure that is the 13th at Franklin Hills, and the 14th is the long par-3 which heads back parallel with #1.  If you're going to pay tribute to the hole you should get the hole number right!

That is a very cool hole at Franklin Hills ... you really created a similar hole from flat ground?
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