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Evan_Green

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The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« on: March 14, 2006, 01:58:30 AM »
Here are some pictures of The Grand Golf Club (formerly called Meadows Del Mar), a solid Fazio layout about 30 minutes North of San Diego. It was a pleasant surprise on my trip to San Diego last Thanksgiving.

One thing I loved about the course was the slight brown tinge in the (I believe Bermuda?) fairways.

The only caveat is that it is cart golf and not realistically walkable.
























A 100+ foot drop off the tee here




This is one killer of a par 3 (ummm par 4), #17 - It plays about 250 from the tips.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2006, 01:59:07 AM by Evan_Green »

Matt_Cohn

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 02:35:52 AM »
This used to be my home course in San Diego. The director of golf there, Herb Moore, is a really great guy.

Evan, I'm glad you posted these pictures. The Grand is really a beautiful golf course although it's hard to capture in small pictures. It looks like you took these pictures to highlight some of the architectural features, rather than to catalog all the "postcard views". (There are a lot of them!)

I learned a lot about the construction of the course and about how local regulations forced some changes to the intended routing, although recent additions to the course have brought it closer to Fazio's original intent.

I'll post more as people make comments and ask questions about the course.

Evan - is #16 a par 5 now? (Did you know it used to be a 400 yard par 4?) How was it?

Evan_Green

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 04:19:46 AM »
Evan - is #16 a par 5 now? (Did you know it used to be a 400 yard par 4?) How was it?

Matt they are turning #16 into a par 5.

This pic shows the temp and the new green being built more clearly.



I'm glad we have a resident expert on the course. I'll defer the substantive questions on the course to you  ;)
« Last Edit: March 14, 2006, 04:29:11 AM by Evan_Green »

Evan_Green

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 04:26:48 AM »
Evan

Thanks for posting the pix.  The course looks quite good, though I suspect it has very severe elevation change.  Doesn't the bunkering look a bit like that certain course in Melbourne?  

Ciao

Sean

Sean

Yes, there is severe elevation change in some spots. In addition some greens and tees are quite far apart form one another. It's definately a cart course. But if you are willing to take a cart, this is a very worthwhile course if you visit San Diego.

I should add the folllowing... every time I visit San Diego and am treated to the best weather in the lower 48 states, I wonder why I dont live there.  ::)

James Bennett

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 05:21:21 AM »
Evan

thanks for the photos.  You have posted some lovely places, although San Diego has had the best light.

I looked hard for that 'slight tinge of brown' in the fairways.  I saw some light olive green (which is excellent 8)) but nothing that I would call a tinge of brown.  Sometimes, the camera enhances the green colour.

How do the light green fairways and style of play (I assume firm, and little fertiliser) go down with the locals?  Matt Cohn might have a comment here.

James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

T_MacWood

Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2006, 06:43:29 AM »
It looks to be a rugged and beautiful site....the scale of the place proably doesn't come through in the pictures. The golf holes don't too look interesting...with the exception of the third picture down.

pacgd

Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2006, 10:14:59 AM »
Does anybody know why they changed the name from Meadows Del Mar to The Grand Golf Club?  "The Grand Golf Club" may be the worst name I've ever heard for a golf course, with the exception of the ridiculous Atlanta, Dallas, Glenmaura, ...fill in the blank..."National" golf clubs.  The marketing person who came up with "Grand" must have taken a whole five minutes to think of that one.

Can you imagine a member (if they had a membership) proudly saying "I belong to The GRAND Golf Club"

Evan_Green

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 12:33:58 PM »
It looks to be a rugged and beautiful site....the scale of the place proably doesn't come through in the pictures. The golf holes don't too look interesting...with the exception of the third picture down.

It is hard to convey the feeling of being there given the size pictures I am currently able to post.

But if you go to their website and click on the various upper tabs, you will find some large images:

http://www.thegrandgolfclub.com/home.html

Matt_Cohn

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2006, 01:51:10 PM »
A couple of answers:

The name change came with an ownership change. Doug Manchester, the man who owns the Grand Hyatt downtown (and a lot of other things), bought the course and renamed it. Mr. Manchester is building a large resort at the golf course called The Grand Del Mar. Basically, they named the golf course after the soon-to-be resort. They tried Del Mar National for a little while but that didn't stick.

The fairways definitely have a brownish tint, at least, in the winter. The nights get cold enough for the fairways to go a little bit dormant. In fact, there are occasionally frost delays in the winter, especially because several holes are routed through narrow coastal canyons that get very cold and then don't get much sunlight in the mornings.

There has been talk about overseeding the fairways in the winter because a lot of people ask them, "Why aren't the fairways green?" The grass in these pictures is a bit greener than it is in the middle of winter. So for they have avoided overseeding because it obviously brings up a lot of problems. The playing surface in the winter is very tight. (If I remember right maybe just the tees are overseeded?)

While I'm at it, a few more facts about the course. They're recently made changes to three holes:

#5 went from a very narrow 310 yard par-4 to one of the narrowest 385 yard par-4's you can find.

#6 was extended from 125 yards to 175 yards. In both cases the course was finally allowed to build tees in a particular part of a canyon they were not allowed to use when the course was built.

The flow of the course used to be really broken up by holes 5-7, which interruped a difficult front nine with mismatched holes of 310, 125, and 525 (from the tips). Now the course flows much better.

Also, #16 and #17 were supposed to be about 510 and 180. Instead, they were told that the canyon on #16 was too narrow for a par 5, so it was shortened to a 410 par-4. The green on 17 was already built, but the old tee angle across the water was changed which is why #17 feels like you're coming into the green from the side. Now #16 is becoming a par-5, as originally intended.

Interestingly, 9 holes on the course had to be substantially changed from the initial routing due to environmental or land planning concerns unrelated to housing. Mr. Moore did a great job explaining to me that people have no idea of the compromises Fazio had to make with the course - and, of course, that they'd only judge the course based on the final result, regardless of whatever challenges were faced along the way.

Tim Leahy

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2006, 03:28:12 PM »
"#5 went from a very narrow 310 yard par-4 to one of the narrowest 385 yard par-4's you can find."

I am sorry to hear that, when I played the course I drove that green. Now noone will believe me! I liked the course alot, it had the best greens in all of SD county. It was overpriced for the area, so living there at the time I played more on Encinitas Ranch which also had great greens, canyons, and ocean views at less than half the price.

I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Matt_Cohn

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Re:The Grand Golf Club - San Diego - Fazio (Photos)
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2006, 04:19:55 PM »
Tim,

Unlike at Augusta, at The Grand Fazio did not remove the forward tees when he lengthened #5! That is a great shot to drive the green though.