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John_Conley

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Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2005, 12:18:54 AM »
RJ:

I think Amick's articles appear in a local golf magazine down here.  He's up around Ormond Beach if I'm not mistaken.  I think he did one or two of the Palm Coast courses.  Not sure if I've played anything he's done or not.  Good call.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2005, 10:12:00 AM »
Even more relevant than Braid would be Taylor.  He and his later partner Hawtree, were committed to producing public courses for everyman.

Let's make GCA grate again!

T_MacWood

Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2005, 10:21:19 AM »
I'm biased, but I'd say Jack Kidwell for modern. Donald Ross for old time, and probably all time.

In Daniel Wexler's new book--The Book of Golfers--he did not have much positive to say about Alex Findlay. He was surprisingly hard on him. For those familiar with Findlay's work...is he not given the credit he deserves or was he a mediocre designer?

Bendelow might give Ross a run for his money.
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Brian Phillips

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Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2005, 02:20:30 PM »
What about the Hawtree dynasty?

It is the oldest existing architect office in the world and probably one of the best at designing affordable well thought out designs.

Brian
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

BCrosby

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Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2005, 09:08:38 AM »
In the SE, there was Willard Bird and George Cobb in the '50's and 60's.

What happened to George Cobb? In the late 50's and early 60's he was doing work at ANGC and East Lake. Very high profile stuff. His career seemed to be on a meteoric rise, and then almost nothing. At least in terms of prestigious commissions. Did Cobb have health issues?

Bob
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John Shimp

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Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2005, 09:15:46 AM »
Dan Maples has been mentioned. What about Ellis Maples?  Mostly carolinas focused, but has done some nice, straightforward designs from the high end Grandfather to good munis like Boone GC and Keith Hills.

Nathan Cashwell

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Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2005, 10:00:22 AM »
The Carolinas have had many architects that might fit the bill, most have been mentioned already.  Cobb did what many architects do and got very popular, took many jobs, and spread his projects all over the region (and his work suffered as a result).  Many of his better known courses have been redesigned i.e. Quail Hollow in Charlotte, UNC Finley (which was originally a J.B. McGovern design), both ironically some of Fazio's first forays into the renovation business.  Ellis Maples is definitely a good recommendation.  Practiced under Ross and used many of his concepts/ principles including practicality.  Though his bunkers are closer to MacKenzie's in terms of style and maintenance.  We have recently restored two of his most respected layouts here in N.C. (Gaston C.C. in Gastonia and Cedarwood C.C. in Charlotte).  But if you scan a list of courses in the Carolinas you see the same names over and over most of which focused on low cost, decent (if not uninspired), daily fee courses that your Average Joe could play relatively easily while drinking heavily.  But there are also some gems out there that just don't get the huge publicity that the big name courses in the area get.  Most of them connected to the Ross lineage.

shapland

Re:Best of the Practical Architects?
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2005, 04:43:09 PM »
Wow, its tough for a European to get an angle on most of these posts. Our lack of budget and opportunity in Europe means we all sell ourselves as 'practical' with a wink to the client that means 'read cheaper'.

Practical means getting the job finished in somewhat unstable ex Balkan and Soviet states where the source of funding can be a little dubious. These are the developing markets.

Practical means finding a way to get a commission to do the job you love in a market dominated by signatory Tour Pros.

Be good to hear of some definitions for 'Practical Architects' with an eye ten years from now.