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John_Conley

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architectural/design term
« on: July 06, 2005, 11:29:21 PM »
I'm hoping someone - anyone - can help me out.  I need a term to describe something.  If there isn't a formal term, I'd like someone to come up with one.

Imagine a hole like #18 at Kemper Lakes or the similar teeshot on Ocean Hammock.  As you go back on the tee it becomes narrower, because a drive doesn't get as far out, and can be compounded to be longer, since you need to aim away from the green on your first shot.

I'm trying to describe something more than just a Cape hole that curves and has a green out along a point.  I've recently toured a course that had several holes like this and I'm having trouble explaining what it is like.  Going up a set or two not only makes the course SHORTER, it makes it much EASIER.  Interestingly enough, the slope really reflected this on the card.

Is there a name for this design style?  If not, does anyone have an appropriate suggestion for it.

peter_p

Re:architectural/design term
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2005, 12:27:16 AM »
Sort of a contant radius turn. Kemper Lakes calls #18 a half moon. Ocean Hammock #16? How about crescent as the description?

John_Conley

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Re:architectural/design term
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2005, 01:05:52 AM »
Peter:

I'm probably not doing a great job of describing this.

Crescent is a term that describes the shape of the bend, but that isn't the point I am trying to make.  Imagine a Cape hole where you can cut as much as you like and leave a shorter shot in if you are successful.  Generally there isn't any problem when you DON'T cut the corner and the tee shot will still retain that same characteristic even when you move up; the hole is just shorter.

I'm thinking of a hole like the one at Ocean Hammock.  If you are on the back tee the fairway is actually quite narrow.  It widens as you move up a box or two.  Furthermore, the intended line moves so you take a better angle off the forward tee, making the hole a lot longer if you play it back.  (Say 20 yards back on the box might make it play 35 yards longer.)  You don't see this on a Cape Hole.

The Links at Madison Green had a lot of this.  From the back tee it looked brutal, but moving up slightly made all the tee shots infinitely easier.

Thanks, but I think I need to keep trying.  Crescent may be the shape, but the stuff on the outside line of the crescent can determine if the hole is just a Cape or something more that might look like the same kind of hole.

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:architectural/design term
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2005, 01:55:34 AM »
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