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Scott Coan

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(from SI.COM)
                   
MAYNOOTH, Ireland (AP) -- Padraig Harrington and Jose Maria Olazabal have returned to the European Tour from the U.S. this week -- just in time to tackle one of the toughest courses they may have ever seen.

Newly designed by Scotland's Colin Montgomerie, Carton House is likely to spark despair in the Irish Open field this week. So narrow are the fairways and so deep the bunkers, the 7,300-yard layout west of Dublin resembles a lunar landscape.

There are 139 bunkers allied to narrow landing areas that Harrington believes are unmatched globally.

Asked if they were the narrowest fairways in Europe, he replied: "Yes -- and you can add the word 'world' to that."

Harrington, who won the Honda Classic in Florida in March, said: "These fairways are at least 50 percent narrower that anything you would see in the States."

Olazabal said the fairway at the second was just 16 yards wide.

By way of comparison, Harrington pointed out that the toughest hole in the U.S., the 18th at Sawgrass, is about 30 yards wide.

"This is extreme to say the least," he said. "I would say I've never seen a golf course as severe off the tee. There are doglegs and cross winds, a lot of bunkers and you can't reach the greens."

Harrington, ranked ninth in the world, downgraded his chances after suffering a recurrence of a three-year-old neck injury at the weekend.

He has played a reduced schedule since the Honda, after which he learned that his father had been diagnosed with incurable cancer, and feels that that inactivity and the injury mean he will not pose a threat this week.

"I basically haven't played enough," he said. "My game is erratic. After I won Honda, I played six rounds of golf in the next six weeks, though I did play the last two weeks. There's not enough flow in my game at the moment. I'm not competitive."

Olazabal, who has had four top-10s in nine U.S. events this year, may find his improved driving still not good enough on a course where driving straight will be essential.

"You may hit a shot that is not a bad shot and end up 12, maybe 15, feet below the green in a bunker. The severity of the bunkers is the problem. Most of the time you're just going to just hit a sand wedge out."

But Olazabal, winner of this title in 1990, said the course was not unfair.

"The only thing I dislike a bit is how deep the bunkers are. Apart from that, the golf course is fair -- extremely tough but fair," he said.

Darren Clarke concurred. "It's very good and not unfair, just stunningly difficult," he said.

No one criticized Montgomerie.

"He wanted the emphasis on driving and it is as he wanted it when he was designing it," Harington said. "He's a magnificent driver of the golf ball. He sees the driving as the easy part. He's gone and made this as tough as you can off the tees."

Clarke said he expected the halfway cut to be higher than last week's British Masters cut of seven over.

Montgomerie said he was surprised that his course had been awarded this event.

"Of all the honors I've received or won in my career, this is by far the best," he said.

But he is preparing himself for the backlash.

"I think the 155 of my harshest critics will be teeing off Thursday and I don't mind admitting I will be on tenterhooks waiting for their judgment," he said.



Scott Coan

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http://www.carton.ie/

Colin Montgomerie expressed his delight with the course - “This is a unique project and I am privileged to be associated with it. You can’t call it a links course, but it plays like a links and has all the characteristics of a links. In designing this course, I attempted to go back to a more traditional course”.

“I looked at the great courses around the world – Royal Melbourne, Troon, Turnberry – and worked out what is so good about them. One thing that springs to mind – bunkering. They are hazards and they work with the prevailing wind. Few holes are straight up and down the wind but tend to be across, which brings the bunkering into play. This is the kind of course where the best players would always come out on top”.


Jack_Marr

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I played it and loved it, although it was too hard for a player of my limited talents. It was a real test and kept you interested all the time. Looks good on TV.
John Marr(inan)

Mark_Fine

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The Montgomerie Course is outstanding and sits on one of the prettiest inland pieces of property to be found anywhere.  It definitely plays like a links and I don't know many good links courses that don't get critized for at times being considered "unfair".  The bunkers definitely suck in golf balls as you would expect to find on a links design.  I can't comment on the tightness of the fairways but it sounds like they are way too narrow.  I presume the European PGA sets up the golf course.  
Mark

Mike_Cirba

Was Monty really the designer?  

In other words, who did he work "with"?

Mark_Fine

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Stan Eby of European Golf Design worked with Montgomerie on the layout.  I have not talked to anyone who has played it who didn't think it was an excellent golf course.  

If you want to just relax and enjoy yourself, play the parkland course there.  If you want to see how much game you have, play the Montgomerie.  It is hard but it is also a lot of fun.  You have to play golf shots and be creative.  

Bill, I would not say this about the golf course if I truly felt otherwise.  Is it perfect, no.  But it is a solid 7 on the Doak scale.  Watch it on TV and see some of the shots these guys have to create.  
Mark

Mark_Guiniven

You can see Ben's? review at GOLFTI if you're interested in this course.

http://www.golfti.com/carton/montgomerie/


Mark_Fine

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Mark,
Not a bad overview by Ben.  It will be interesting to see how the pros handle the course this weekend.
Mark

Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Thanks for the praise Mark  ::)

I actually did not write that piece, though I have played the golf course. I would not say it is excellent, though it is very good.

"prettiest inland pieces of property to be found anywhere" this property is nice and reminds me of my farm, but it hardly is in the league of Banff or Gleneagles. It is essentially nice rolling farm land with a wall bordering one side and a nice view to the manor house.

While I do not doubt the course is challenging, but there is a sameness to the course.

What are the outstanding holes? 13? I liked it a lot.

Montgomerie went twice I believe, both times after the Irish Open, so I am not sure his true level of commitment. Stan Eby seemed pleased with the final result and he should be.

Mark_Fine

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Ben,
Like most good golf courses, I think you need to play the best ones several times to really appreciate the subtleties and just how good they really are.  If you are looking for flash and glitz, you won't find it on The Montgomerie Course.  It is pure golf and very strategic golf at that.  The 130 or so bunkers are true hazards and designed to suck golf balls into them with amazing efficiency.  They are deep and strategically well placed affording the golfer to challenge them as much as they dare or shy away but at the price of a longer second shot and/or a tougher angle of approach. The greens are undulating and the approaches well thought out.  The ball needs to be worked into the various pin locations and a low running shot is often the best way to get there.

If you are looking to play all aerial shots into the greens, forget it, you don't stand a chance.  You need to play a variety of golf shots to score here and to me that is what makes the game fun.  And forget the yardage, just like in links golf, it means nothing.  This course is more about feel and shot making than hit it X # of yards and expect your golf ball to end up where it landed.

There is rarely a shot out there that doesn't require thought and couple that with the physical test and this is one solid golf course.    

By the way, Montgomerie was on site far more than what you suggest.  Unlike many touring pros, he took a very active role in the design.  Again it is not perfect and there are changes I would like to see made to improve some of the golf holes.  

If you are looking for the "wow factor" and signature holes, forget it, but I stand by my 7 for a ranking.  It is that good and judging by some of the acolades thrown at it lately, I'm not the only one that thinks so  ;)
Mark
 

Mark_Fine

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Fun to watch.  We need more courses over this way that play like this for the pros.  Would still like to see the fairways much wider as the course has some great angles that have been taken out of play.  The scores might go a bit higher but then again they might not.  It would be more tempting to play along the edges.  

Jack_Marr

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Mark,

You know I like the course very much. I have played it a few times now.

A lot of the holes do look similar, but the more you play it, the more individual holes stand out.

If you enjoy a test, deffinately don't skip this place.
John Marr(inan)

Mark_Fine

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Jack,
I agree that some of the holes "do look similar" but they don't play similar.  If you think about it, isn't that somewhat typical of a links style course.  A lot of holes look similar but can play very differently especially when the wind is up.  

Anybody can design a hard golf course, but this one makes you think your way around which to me is a big difference.  
Mark

Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Mark,
What do you rank Hidden Creek, so I can have a comparison for the value for your 7?
I love Hidden Creek, the Old Course and lots of courses that do not have glitz.
Earlier you said the course was one of the prettiest you inland courses anywhere - could that be considered glitz?

"Like most good golf courses, I think you need to play the best ones several times to really appreciate the subtleties and just how good they really are."

I have played the course twice, I do not think I missed that much. Have you played it significantly more?

Furthermore, I love the ground game, but tell me which greens you would approach with a running shot? Many greens have an upslope in front, which contradicts the ability to run the ball in, unless the turf is extremely firm and fast.

Jack_Marr

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Jack,
I agree that some of the holes "do look similar" but they don't play similar.  If you think about it, isn't that somewhat typical of a links style course.  A lot of holes look similar but can play very differently especially when the wind is up.  

Anybody can design a hard golf course, but this one makes you think your way around which to me is a big difference.  
Mark

Hi Mark

Yes, that's what I mean. The fact that there aren't a lot of trees on the course makes it hard to distinguish. The holes all deffinately play differently, and as you play it more, you can really "see" the holes better.

Anyway, the course is fair. That's all that should matter to the pros.
John Marr(inan)

Mark_Fine

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Ben,
The 7 that I gave The Montgomerie Course puts it outside my personal top 100 that I have played but somewhere in the 125-200 range.  Hidden Creek would fall in a similar range.  

As far as playing run up shots, I don't know what kind of game you play but the ground game is an option on many of the golf holes.  If you fly the ball too far/high into the slope it might be repelled (similar to what you might experience on a perched Donald Ross green).  But a good low running shot can utilize the contours well and work onto the green.  The approaches and interior contours of the greens are clever and make for interesting shot making.

I have been round the course about a half dozen times and studied it quite extensively.  There are things I'd like to see changed but overall the course grows on you.  Some of the pros playing the Irish Open call it "tough but fair".  I would prefer to describe it as "tough but thought provoking".  The course is very strategic and requires thinking on every shot.  

As far as the property being pretty, I was referring to the overall estate at Carton House.  Excluding the boundaries of the property, The Montogomerie Course is virtually free of trees and clutter.  An active railway even parallels the course adding to the authentic links feel.  The Tyrconnell Tower sits on the pinnacle of the property over looking the two courses and the views are spectacular.  Though it is an historic monument, the lower portion of the tower is being converted to a half way house for golfers.  It is really going to be a great spot to reflect on your round and take in the long range vistas.  It has a relaxing old world feel.

The course itself has no glitz.  It's just good solid golf.  
Mark

 
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