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Matt Kardash

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12th hole at highlands links
« on: April 12, 2004, 08:33:06 PM »
When I played Highlands links last year for the first time I absolutley loved it. However, I thought numbers 11 and 12 were really dull holes. What I was wondering is why the 12th green was not built next to the river which is nearby on the left. It seems like it would really add interest to the dullest hole on the course. So why wasn't the green built there? Why don't they move it there?
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Brad Klein

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2004, 08:37:42 PM »
Matt, my bet is that it floods there along that stream bed. As I recall, the tenth green is also set up on higher ground rather than down low. Besides, you have one of the best walks in the golf, the 1/3 mile from no. 12 green to no. 13 tee, as I recall.

Matt Kardash

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2004, 08:40:29 PM »
Yeah i figured it probably floods as well. It just kinda depressing when you see a beautiful river not being used, especially when the hole you are playing is a boring one instead.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Adam_F_Collins

Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2004, 08:58:10 PM »
I loved both holes. I felt the river was used quite well.

To me, 11 and twelve provide contrast and a breath of calm after the intensity of the building clime and encroaching cliffs which build up to the green of 9 and the fall dramatically to the valley floor on the 10th green.

11 and 12, which run parallel to the river combine the opening of the fairway with that of the river to provide a 'big sky' and a drastic contrast to the landscapes before and after. For two holes, you might be walking a river in Wyoming...The sound of the water is ever-present along the walk and the holes are relatively flat and subtle - not boldly rollercoastering as many Thompson fairways do.

After the brief respite of 11 and 12, your ready to begin climbing to the crescendo of 14 and 15 and the return to the ocean.

What's so great about the 30 below dead-cold quiet of a long winter? -- Well, it makes the sight of the first blade of grass in the spring such a wonderful event.

Variety is the spice of life.  

Thompson knew exactly what he was doing.

Matt Kardash

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2004, 09:29:03 PM »
Adam

I see what you're saying about the variety and giving the player a break. But c'mon, the 11th is a straight par 5 hole with nothing going on at all, and the 12 this a 200+ par 3 that also has nothing going on either.

At least 11 has a decent tee shot because you drive over the river, so it has that going for it I guess.

I dunno, i just think the course could be improved at 11 and 12. But I love everything else about this place.
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

ian

Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2004, 10:21:55 PM »
Matt,

The 12th green is next to the river, but that massive tree growth in the bank of the river hides that fact. It used to be wide open from 10 to 12 and across to the ninth when the course was open. This area was the old farm. The routing has as much to do with finding good soil and avoiding rock as it does with great terrain.

Brad,

The green floods many times every year, so does 10, 11 and even 6 sometimes too.

Matt,

The 11th was a better short par four, it started across the river on the right. The tee shot was narrow and the bunkers were definately in play. I don't mind the change to expose the river (saw an Eagle flying on the river all three rounds last year), but the five is very short.

The 12th is 240 yards, the typical brute Stanley put in every course. if you could picture the river opened up to full view, and the natural rock backdrop exposed again, you would find a much prettier setting than you have now.

When I played 20 years ago, the river could be seen.

This may help your perspective a little. Here is a photo looking back from 11 green with the ninth hole in the background.



.....and yes I found 11 and 12 the weakness of the course too.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2004, 10:26:41 PM by Ian Andrew »

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2004, 11:28:40 AM »
Isn't that amazing, Ian. What an aesthetic down there at holes 9 thru 12 in the old days. Wow! Re-creating that openness would markedly improve that area of the course today, wouldn't it.

As you know, the big problem would obviously be in trying to get permission to fell thousands of trees within the confines of Cape Breton Highlands National Park of course. And the cost of such work would be high as well.

What a great photograph though. Seeing 9 green up there on the distance hill from 11 green is amazing!
« Last Edit: April 13, 2004, 11:29:49 AM by Jeff_Mingay »
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Matt Kardash

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2004, 11:29:35 AM »
thanks for the insight Ian
the interviewer asked beck how he felt "being the bob dylan of the 90's" and beck quitely responded "i actually feel more like the bon jovi of the 60's"

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2004, 12:21:46 PM »
Hmmm i thought Highlands Links were on Cape Cod.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2004, 01:15:04 PM »
No, Tiger. The REAL Highlands Links is at Ingonish, on the remote northeast coast of Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.

See, you learn something new everyday  ;)
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2004, 07:11:47 PM »
Yes I did.

ian

Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2004, 08:22:42 PM »
I've been busting my brain trying to place this hole on the course. I have an old picture of #17 which would have had a similar landform behind. It doesn't appear to be #17

Does anybody see which hole this is?


Adam_F_Collins

Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2004, 08:38:24 PM »
Ian,

I think it might be four.

Adam_F_Collins

Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2004, 08:39:24 PM »
or five...

ian

Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2004, 09:37:29 PM »
Albert,

Four is the plateau, and five is the green set in the bowl, so both landforms don't work.

but...........

Could it be one (I just went through my photos again), look at the photo below. Now imagine the trees gone and back bunkers.




The progression of holes behind make sense. If it is, look at how much it has changed!
« Last Edit: April 13, 2004, 09:38:47 PM by Ian Andrew »

Jeff_Mingay

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2004, 09:49:05 PM »
Ian,

Having looked at that Thompson advertisement numerous times, I've always thought it was the first.

It's the only hole it could be in my judgement. Today's version is missing that short bunker at left.
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Tyler Kearns

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2004, 11:31:12 PM »
Jeff & Ian,

   How much has the bunkering at Highlands Links been altered over the years?

Tyler Kearns

Robert Thompson

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Re:12th hole at highlands links
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2004, 11:37:39 PM »
Tyler: I'm sure Ian will jump in on this, but it appeared to me that much of the bunker work has changed. Some of Graham Cooke's work there (or that of his associate who actually worked on the project) is pretty poor. They didn't pay any attention apparently to the historical photos. It was a shame as the course isn't likely to see an influx of cash to redo the work any time soon.

Ian will surely chime in -- we played together three times at Highlands last summer.

Robert
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