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Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« on: March 13, 2004, 09:17:27 PM »
Well I hope you enjoy the third instalment. I think I’m done unless somebody wants to start forwarding me some drawings, photos and pictures to help. Good luck, I figure three days to see all the answers.

Architects Pictures


The Newbie Level

Name the famous Canadian born architect?



One of the greatest one hit wonders in history, sold a lot of houses in his day too.



MacWood/Naccarato Level

Moustaches for 100, name the famous architect who worked in California and designed a course where Churchill was a member?



Moustaches for 200, designed many great layouts, liked to make clear which hole was his greatest in a unique way.



  For the Truly Committed (or should be committed)

An Open Champion, he designed two of the Open rota courses. May take some digging to figure out.



 
Golf Holes


The Newbie Level

Doesn’t look like that 1, which course and which hole? right



Doesn’t look like that 2; which course and which “hole”?



Doesn’t look like that 3; timbers, long grass, guess the course, and the hole.



MacWood/Naccarato Level

Where it all began 1, which course is it, and by who?



Where it all began 2; which course is it, and by who?



Famous architect’s renovation of a more famous architects course. Name the renovating architect, and the course if you can.




  For the Truly Committed (or should be committed)

A modern one this time. Double green finisher in picture, but that’s not the clubhouse, it was the architect’s office.

“I can see houses on the horizon. “



 


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ed_getka

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2004, 10:45:43 PM »
Ian,
   This looks like fun. I only know a few things off the top of my head. The last set of pix is too dark for me to make out much. Thanks for putting it together.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Andy Hughes

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2004, 11:00:03 PM »
S Thompson?
Neville?
Foulis?
Road Hole?
Harbor Town, 13?
"Perhaps I'm incorrect..."--P. Mucci 6/7/2007

peter_p

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2004, 11:22:58 PM »
The last picture is a potentially NLE course, and the architect is now sited in Phoenix. The current owner and scratch golfer  is looking at big bucks turning the land into a truck distribution center. It may be convenient to build next to a interstate interchange, but a golf course isn't the best commercial use. The big red barn isn't shown.

ian

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2004, 11:31:42 PM »
Pete,

I appreciate you not giving it away, yet

I have played that soon to be NLE, and stayed in that minuture Augusta like building. I taught them about some computer software many, many years ago.

Putting course was the highlight of the facility.

T_MacWood

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2004, 11:54:49 PM »
1.Macdonald
2.
3.Fowler
4.Braid
5.Fernie
6.Cypress Point #5
7.Prestwick ?
8.Merion
9.Vintage TFazio (what began?)
10.
11.Oakland Hills ?
12.No idea
« Last Edit: March 14, 2004, 12:00:35 AM by Tom MacWood »

ian

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2004, 12:11:14 AM »
Tom,

Your good!

I may have to come up with a 4th level just for you.
Its too bad I just realizes my super cool old photo did not come up.

Try this one out...

« Last Edit: March 14, 2004, 12:14:31 AM by Ian Andrew »

RJ_Daley

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2004, 12:15:37 AM »
I'll try a few of them...

C.B (second guess)
Hunter,
Tillie,
moustache 200 J. Braid
truly committed, W. Park Jr.
Pinehurst #2, 3rd hole
TOC, 17
early days of Sawgrass
Pelican Hill, Faz
NGLA or Shinny, C.B.or Flynn
Rees, Tillie, the Black
something RTJSr.

Latest pic, Myopia oe Ekwanok, chocolate drops...
« Last Edit: March 14, 2004, 01:05:46 AM by RJ_Daley »
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Neil Regan

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2004, 12:36:15 AM »
Jess Sweetser in picture 1, with CB Mac and ?
Grass speed  <>  Green Speed

Brian Phillips

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2004, 03:06:37 AM »
The last renovation picture is Gulph Mills (part Donald Ross) but this green complex is Perry Maxwell.

I thought Gill Hanse was doing the changes there.  I hope that isn't his work...am I allowed to post a pic pre renovation?

The bunkers didn't need renovation two years ago why have they been done?  It looks ok but nothing like the old bunkers....TEPaul...what has happened?  They look like Rees Jones work but I may be mistaken.

Ian,

Thanks for all of this, really enjoy it.

Brian
« Last Edit: March 14, 2004, 03:08:52 AM by Brian Phillips »
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

SPDB

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2004, 11:18:55 AM »
1. CBM
2. ??
3. Fowler
4. ??
5. ??
6. ANGC
7. TOC #17
8. Merion (#10, i think)
9.
10. Doak - high pointe, its a mirror image of #16 at the Creek.
11. GMGC, #8, Perry over the Donald, one of the neater greensites i've seen.
12.???

T_MacWood

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2004, 12:46:06 PM »
Ian
I haven't seen that old photo before, but from the looks of the green and the humps and hollows in the background I'd guess Travis.

RJ_Daley

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2004, 01:28:08 PM »
I went paging through a number of my books with pictures of the old dead architects.  This highlights the trouble with photo lineups in my old job.  My guess of the Tillie portrait is most likely wrong.  For one thing Tillie had more earlobes.  But, what the heck - I I.D'd him as such anyway.  What are they going to do, convict him? ::) :-\  I'm more confident of the Braid I.D., but once you start looking at those old moustachioed fellows, they all seem to look alike.  I can never tell when Dan King is dressing up to be C.B. or old Tom.  BTW, the tam hat on what I think is Park Jr., looks like he borrowed it from Young Tom...
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2004, 01:40:07 PM »
1.CBM THE ICBM
2.The Designer of Pacific Grove--Jack Neville
3.The Designer of Del Paso CC and LACC North #1-Herbert Fowler
4. Now thats James Braid! I would recognized that mustache anywhere!
5. James Doohan aka Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott
6. Cypress Point, I can't remember which hole it is right now--too early
7. A very shallow Road Hole Bunker
8. Merion #10 Another perfect reason why sleepers should be an exceptable practice in GCA.
9. I have no idea
10. I have no idea
11. Gulph Mills #8
12. Langdon Farms

I didn't do good on the Naccarato/MacWood level.

A_Clay_Man

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2004, 01:43:36 PM »
How about Fowler on this last "old" pic?

ian

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2004, 02:29:12 PM »
All the answers are above.

Some minor details are missing, but in general, the answers are distributed through the posts.

Well done. I will post a summary either later today or tomorrow depending on what my kids want to do. It will explain a few clues too.

RJ_Daley

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2004, 09:35:11 PM »
Well, we're waiting ;D
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ian

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2004, 10:34:34 PM »
RJ, Thanks, I actually forgot.

Name the famous Canadian born architect?
Charles Blair MacDonald, born in Niagara Falls, Canada

One of the greatest one hit wonders in history, sold a lot of houses in his day too.
Jack Neville, most famous for Pebble Beach, sold real estate most of his life

Moustaches for 100, name the famous architect who worked in California and designed a course where Churchill was a member?
Herbert Fowler designer of the well discussed El Paso. He also designed Walton Heath who had Winston Churchill as one of its famous members.

Moustaches for 200, designed many great layouts, liked to make clear which hole was his greatest in a unique way.
James Braid, designer of Gleneagles, had his favourite hole at Gleneagles named Braid’s Brawest (best)
 
An Open Champion, he designed two of the Open rota courses. Not impossible, but very tough (unless your name is MacWood)
It is Willie Fernie designer of both Troon and the original Turnberry (OK I was being intentionally tricky) He was Open champ in 1883.
 
Don’t look like that I, which course and which hole? Cypress Point 5th hole from the 70’s, probably the dullest the bunkers ever looked, my pictures of the bunkers from 91 are much more interesting

Don’t look like that II; which course and which “hole”?
Road Hole in the mid 70’s, surprising isn’t it.

Don’t look like that III; timbers, long grass, guess the course, and the hole.
This is the 10th at Merion during the US Open, I made it black and white to see if it had an impact. The timbers were a surprise to me.

Where it all began here, which course is it and by who?
Tom Fazio’s Vintage Wells, I remember this course being profiled the year he won the “King of the Designers” distinction from Ron Whitten (he was pictured wearing a crown on a throne in the article)

Where it all began II, which course is it and by who?

Tom Doak’s High Pointe, his first, and a very good course. Pictured is the third which was is a fantastic hole following the natural terrain.

Famous architect’s renovation of a famous architects course. Name the architects work, and the course if you can.

It is indeed the Maxwell renovation at Gulph Mills. Very, very interesting green site on a Ross golf course. Unusual but strangely likeable contrast of styles.

A modern tough one this time. Double green finisher in picture, but that’s not the clubhouse but was the architect’s office. “I can see houses on the horizon. “
The 9th and 18th at Langdon Farms, by Cupp and Fought. The building was Fought’s office in a building owned by OB Sports. The whole thing will be houses, or some other commercial venture in the near future. I’ve played it, you losing a good public facility, but not a great course.
 
The extra photo is Walter Travis’s “bathtub” green at the 18th at Stafford CC near Rochester. The green was rebuilt into a modern monster in the 80’s, but the club recently committed to returning the green in the near future. I hear the consulting architect is a nice young Canadian guy. The view is from the side of the green, with the left being the front.

Hope you enjoyed it.


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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2004, 10:42:46 PM »
Thanks for the sound beating I took trying to guess them... :-\ ::) ;D
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2004, 03:30:35 AM »
Ian,
I think you mean The Vintage Club, which is in Indian Wells. I knew I had seen this before! Plus the mountains in the background looked familiar. BTW, the bunkers don't look anything like that anymore.

Brian Phillips

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2004, 09:21:00 AM »
Ian,

Could you tell us when your pic of Gulph Mills was taken?  The one below was taken two years ago in May 2002.  Your pic looks like the bunkers have been smoothed out..



Cheers

Brian
Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

ian

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2004, 10:39:20 AM »
Tommy,

That is called a brain cramp, you are correct it is the Vintage Club. I tried to use old photos from older books, I was hoping to illustate some of the changes over a "short" 30 years. The road hole is the most amazing.

Brian,

Last year in the summer. Only Tom could tell you if the bunkers have been altered.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2004, 01:23:34 PM »
Ian,
Couldn't agree more about the RHB. , and I'm starting to thing that this is something that has been lost in the original verocity of the bunker itself. Without looking at some other pictures to measure it by, it looks as if they have lost that shoulder that drops into the bunker over the years, thus creating more reveted area?  I'll look at some pictures I have later.

SPDB

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Re:Visual Architectural Quiz Three-Answers
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2004, 03:07:06 PM »
For those of you who know the Creek,
tell me that Doak's picture is not a tribute to
#16 there (in mirror image and not as severe elev. change).
I know its one of his favorites.

p.s. I just looked at the website of HP, and the holes
possess the same name "Valley"!
« Last Edit: March 16, 2004, 03:09:50 PM by SPDB »

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