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Ran Morrissett

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Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« on: August 26, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »
My three would be:

1. The ridge across the 295 yard mark on the 9th hole. The farther to the right (where there is little trouble), the more and more blind the long approach shot becomes. When coupled with the awesome green, I reckon this was my favorite hole on the course.

2. The use of the land in the 12th hole driving area, as described by Gil. This was my second favorite hole.

3. The 15th hole had two favorite features: the Principal's Nose off the tee and the fall away green. A hooded 7 iron from 90 yards was great fun to watch as it rolled and rolled ... and rolled down the length of the long green. With the greens slower than at Oakmont, I reckon the shot to be even more fun than the 12th at Oakmont.

What features/holes impressed you the most?

Cheers,


JamieS

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2001, 08:20:00 PM »
My favorite feature on the course was the green complex and surrounding quarry area in front of #16.

I thought it made great use of the natural land site, and looking back from the green the hole appears to have been there forever. I don't really understand the fuss about that hole. It is a quirky(semi-blind) approach shot from most spots in the fairway, but I think it fits so well into the natural site, that it really works in the design.

In general golfers put too much emphasis on being able to see everything. I guess the "full visual" makes players more comfortable, but aren't architects jobs to make the golfer think and offer them options to overcome?


Patrick_Mucci

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2001, 08:20:00 PM »
Ran,

I liked the look from the 1st tee through the 18th green.

I really liked the bunkering, especially the cross bunkering.

I liked the skyline green

I liked the double fairway 16th, however I would like to see the area immediately to the right of the green softened.

I appreciated learning the behind the scene facts on the design, routing and contruction of the golf course, especially the permiting difficulties and their impact on design, routing and construction.

I didn't like that you soundly thrashed me.  I could blame the golf course except for the fact that I liked it, and you played very well, deserving to win.


George Pazin

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Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2001, 10:04:00 AM »
My favorite feature at Inniscrone was the low ridge fronting the left side of the 7th green, which obscures the view of the golfer who played left to avoid the large bunker right & in front of the green. The golfer successfully challenging or skirting the bunker has a clear view of the green.

This feature of rewarding the golfer who challenges hazards with a clear view is something that Gil also uses frequently at Applebrook, though just to keep things interesting, the 2nd at Applebrook uses the opposite approach - a shot wide of the bunker is rewarded with a clear view!

The bunkers at Inniscrone did look awesome, too. The cross bunkers were so large & imposing that they appeared much closer than they were.

Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Steve Wilson

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Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »
To the right of the 2nd fairway, the bunker "complex."  I say complex because the big bunker had a small bunker to the right.  I would venture to say that not one drive in a thousand would find it, but if you're the one the object of your next shot might be to reach the big bunker.

The dead mammal (species not determined) buried in the right center of the 13th green.  Two members of my foursome had their approach shots ten feet apart and the mound kicked their putts in opposite directions.

The bailout areas on 8, 11, and 14 for the faint of heart or short of length.  If the course hadn't been so wet, 8 and 14 could have produced the redan effect (come to think of it so would 3).

I loved the bunkers, their look, their depth, their location, and the texture (I was in three of them) of the sand.

Favorite hole--#12.  The hole fits my eye perfectly, and I had the sensation of being reminded of a hole I had seen elsewhere but I couldn't place it then nor since.  

And, if I haven't said so elsewhere, thanks to Ran and Gil and the folks at Inniscrone.  What a fine day.

Some days you play golf, some days you find things.

I'm not really registered, but I couldn't find a symbol for certifiable.

"Every good drive by a high handicapper will be punished..."  Garland Bailey at the BUDA in sharing with me what the better player should always remember.

John Morrissett

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2001, 04:27:00 AM »
I was sorry I could not join in the fun at Inniscrone, but I had to be in the office that day for a deadline.  

My favorite features:

I hate to agree with Ran, but the last 100 or so yards on the 15th is perfect (and a lot of fun).  I wonder about the Principal's Nose bunker off the tee as I could not tell if there is a great advantage to going right or left of the bunker.

I really liked how the 13th hole tied together two dominant and pre-existing features -- the sunken road and the large tree behind the green.  Neither feature seems forced, and both fit the hole well.

I like how the upper fairway on 16 really doesn't come into play but messes with people's minds as they think that somehow it should come into play -- and that frustrates them.

I like the entire 6th green complex.

Patrick Mucci--

Ran beat you?!?  I assume strokes were involved.  


TEPaul

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2001, 06:00:00 AM »
I certainly agree with almost everything the others said above. My favorite hole is probably #3, always was. I recognize that it's the hole on the course that is probably best liked by almost everyone and anyone who has seen it and played it. It is certainly the hole on the course that has a lot of things for everyone!

I love really interesting little par 4s anyway but that hole has so much interest going for it and for the entire spectrum of golfers and every single level of player. The risk/reward spectrum on #3 is just immaculate for every single type of golfer (both touring pro and hacker) no matter what they try to do and no matter what kind of tee shot or club selection they make from the tee. I love the fact that you actually can try to drive this green and can make an eagle on a par 4 if you have the stuff and pull off two career shots. But the small margin for trying that has some serious risks to take. I love the fact that if you're going to play conservative there you have to concentrate on the tee and play away from the line to the green (the bunkering and its placement short and into the elbow of the hole is really well done. And although this is a little odd but if you happen to hit a bad shot and go way to the right the green is still right there and you have the opportunity to still hit a good recovery shot although approaching that green from any angle from father away is not easy. And lastly when the ball hits the green from almost any angle or any distance it tends to do things that are very unexpected--things that you really can't see and wouldn't really imagine. The green is shallow and wide for the conservative shot and long and narrow for the more aggressive shot and it also slopes from right to left for more of its surface than one can detect and for either the conservative or the aggressive play that has real meaning in how to approach it, both being very different.

I love the whole green-end on #6 and I love the green on #14--there is something about #14 green that is subtlely deceptive, both in actual and playable distance from the tee and the stuff they put on the surface (like the mid-green poof) is really great. Lastly, it's very hard to figure out how that green slopes, breaks, chips and putts. Even Gil admitted it fooled him and he still can't really believe it. For some reason it feels and felt to him that it sloped one way but it really doesn't--it goes subtely the other way, certainly in some parts!


Mike_Cirba

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2001, 06:15:00 AM »
There are so many cool holes and interesting features at Inniscrone, and many have been cited above.

However, for me, the whole places comes together when one reaches the tee of a particular hole.

As John Lennon might say, "number nine...number nine...number nine..."

As one who loved the severity and even unfairness of the old ninth green, I was a little disappointed to see that it had been softened.  

Nonetheless, it's probably a better hole now for most people, and if Gil wasn't happy with the original, that's good enough for me.


BillV

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2001, 06:18:00 AM »
Sorry I didn't make it but i was in Quebec (Played no golf, either)

I like #1 as one of the best starters in USA

I like # 2 as a really nice unsettling tee shot (Blind) followed by a downhill approach, hard to judge

#3 is a fine short 4, nearly drove it once, made 6 once

#6 is a cool hole

#9 as described so ewll by Ran

#12 may be the one best par 4 of its length around-drive(Neat fairway contours) approach, green-yum

#15 has been described well by John M elsewhere

I love the half-par nature and downright tough attitude of #17

#5 is OK for what it is, it is only blind once.  #10 is really pretty so-so and shoe-horned in.

Sorry I missed youse guys at Lehigh, too.


Patrick_Mucci

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2001, 06:29:00 PM »
John Morrissett,

Ran beat me straight up, 5 & 4, no shots.

He played well, two (2) over through 14, sinking a birdie putt on # 14 to close me out after I missed my birdie putt.

He clearly played better golf and deserved to win.  

But, even a clock that's stopped is right twice a day.

Lehigh was not so kind to him, although we were both exhausted.  It was a form of poetic justice that my birdie putt on # 15, another par 3, put him away at 4 & 2.

I've concluded that Ran clearly likes and plays better on modern courses, where my game tends to prefer classic and golden age courses.

I look forward to our next match !


BillV

Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2001, 09:09:00 PM »
Patrick, you mean #16.  

Craig_Rokke

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Favorite design features at Inniscrone?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2001, 12:36:00 PM »
I don't know if it's my favorite feature, but
it's certainly a feature that a lot of architects don't use enough. And that would be "view of the green." Clearly, there
are a number of fairway locations such as
the right side of the fairway (behind the bunkers) on 9 that afford a better look at the green. My recollection is hazy, but I think #4 has some preferred spots as well.

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