Jeff, I already mucked up the other thread. But to answer your question, No. It does not serve as a demerit. Jimmy or otherwise. Because Pete doesn't have a complete reliance on trees to create his wonderful holes he uses them sparingly and perhaps to the best use of any archie, living or dead. I do however feel that the interjected nine, on the river course, has more use of trees than most all other courses, I can recall, of Pete's. Especially the 13th hole, which has to be one of the most shot testing dictators ever, since they took the trees down in front of "Black Dog" Spyglass' 16th.