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Jerry Kluger

A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« on: June 14, 2011, 06:16:37 PM »
My son and I went out to Congressional today.  We entered the 5th hole gate at 7:00 and immediately saw Mike Davis walking down the middle of the fairway - he told me to send his regards to Pat Mucci.  There hasn't been much rain so the course was playing fast and firm and the rough along the fairways wasn't too bad although it was thick around the greens.  Most of the greens looked good although the 4th looked stressed to my untrained eye.  I watched a group come through the 4th and one of the players hit two shots into the green with two corresponding ball marks - he never bent over to repair them and instead just used his wedge and knocked down the edge - I would not think this was an acceptable means of repairing a ball mark. 

A couple of some OT facts.  Luke Donald spent 3 hours putting, chipping and in the bunkers.  Phil, Dustin Johnson, Jeff Overton and Hunter Mahan were obviously playing some type of match as they were the only group that was marking and lining up their putts before they would drop some balls and putt from different locations. The 10th hole, the new par 3, has 6 tee boxes.  The par 3s were giving the players a hard time as the wind was blowing pretty hard.   

Kalen Braley

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 06:19:39 PM »
Jerry,

Did you take a peak at the soon to be "controversial 16th"?

That shaved bank certainly looks to run the ball quite a bit away from the green.

Kalen

Jerry Kluger

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 06:20:28 PM »
I didn't get to the back - I will see it on Thursday.

Jerry Kluger

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 06:55:09 PM »
Forgot to mention that Sabbatini was out playing the course - by himself.

Steve Goodwin

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 07:17:08 PM »
Cool, overcast afternoon -- very different from the 90 degree weather forecast for the weekend.  The scuttlebutt in the media room is that the winning score could be well under par.   Course seems to playing firm, drives are getting plenty of roll, greens are holding.   I followed Els and a young South African, Christo Greyling, for a good bit of their practice round on the front nine, where the birdies will be made.  The first hole is a birdie hole, and No. 5 through No. 9 is the easiest stretch on the course, by far.   Els and Greyling weren't grinding but one or both of them had reasonable birdie putts on all of the above holes.   Will be v. interesting to see how scoring goes on the first few days and how this affects hole locations on Sat and Sunday.

Back nine is a different story, and as Els pointed out in his interview, the start on the back nine is a monster.  The players will go to the new 10th hole, a tough par 3, and then the 11th, a brute of a par 4 with water down the right side and the fairway moved over to bring the water more into play.  Half the field starts on 10 on both Thursday and Friday, and some rounds could turn sour in a hurry.

To me the rough looked plenty thick, but in his interview Mickelson seemed to discount it.  Said he was probably not going to use the 2 iron as planned, but would go with the driver and take his chances with the rough.  He used the f-word again -- fair -- when he talked about the graduated rough.

Last note:  Congressional is not an easy place to watch golf.   There is a lot of mounding along the fairways (thanks, Rees) and the ropes are set up outside the mounds, so that for long stretch the views are blocked.  

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Bill Brightly

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2011, 07:45:51 PM »
I watched a group come through the 4th and one of the players hit two shots into the green with two corresponding ball marks - he never bent over to repair them and instead just used his wedge and knocked down the edge - I would not think this was an acceptable means of repairing a ball mark.  

You touch on one of my biggest pet peeves.

This is absolutely the WRONG way to fix a ball mark and it TICKS ME OFF when I see pros commomly do it. It "flattens" the ball mark so it won't be bumpy for the next pro, which is all they care about. But it is friggin lazy and shows a complete lack of respect for the course where they are guests. When they leave in a few days, this will probably be a brown spot on the green. And thousands of golfers see this being done each week and think it is correct, because a pro did it...



I cannot believe that the PGA has not addressed this issue with the pros.
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Jay Flemma

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2011, 04:01:45 AM »
16 run-off is fine on the back, but the run-off on the right side into the trees is murder.  Still, the green is crowned, so it'll be tough to hit if they bake it like 14 at PB last year.

They have lost a large portion of the right side of the 17th green...in fact, this is the worst conditioned olf course I have seen at any major.  Congressionnal looks scruffy at best.
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Mark Pearce

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2011, 04:08:27 AM »
Geoff S, on his blog, also suggests that they may, already, be losing some of the greens.  This could turn ugly.
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Sean Remington (SBR)

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2011, 06:53:24 AM »
Congressional is a very difficult course to watch golf esp. at the greens.  Most times yoru better off hanging along the fairways and staying away from tees and greens unless the ropes are clear.  If you want to follow a big group it's not much fun.

The greens are just a year old, grown in from seed.  Not saying that they aren't great but two or three years would have been better IMHO.   I hope they get through the week OK.  It would also have helped if 14.5 stimp. wasn't the goal as this makes the greens the story line right from the start.  Maybe a more normal 11.5 - 12.5 would have helped take the greens out of the spotlight.  Too late.

Jerry Kluger

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 07:40:20 AM »
This does seem like a replay of what happened the last time they redid the greens.  It was a disaster for the Senior Open in '95 and I am simply amazed at what they will go through to try and create particular conditions. The only thing they have going for them is the weather as while it will warm up some it won't get really hot and there were will be some rain. 

Jerry Kluger

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 08:57:16 AM »
Bill: The player not properly repairing his ball mark was an AM.

Carl Nichols

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 03:07:21 PM »
In Geoff Shackleford's various twit vids, he says repeatedly that the course is in incredible condition, except for a few places.  I think that was Monday or early Tuesday, so perhaps they're going the wrong direction, but his view seems inconsistent with Jay's. 

Doug Siebert

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 02:23:25 AM »
With apologies to anyone here who may be a member of Congressional, I hope they DO lose a bunch of the greens.  Having half the greens die and the members playing on temporary greens the rest of the year might be what it takes for the USGA to reconsider their stupid push towards ever higher green speeds and the necessarily ever flatter greens! :P
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Jim Eder

Re: A Couple Of Congressional Observations
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 01:25:06 PM »
For those who know the course, is the 9th hole really as tough as the scores suggest? Granted it is rather long but it doesn't seem like it is that difficult.  The pin placement is pretty good with that bunker there.

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