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Marty Bonnar

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Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« on: October 31, 2024, 03:28:07 PM »

Our own young Mr T Gallant at the glorious Lundin/Leven joint Links…
https://golf.com/travel/leven-lundin-scotland-top-100/
The article could perhaps have done with a tad more detail, but it’s a decent intro to the idea of the original layout! Made even more interesting with current local rumour about potential amalgamation of the two Leven clubs (not including Lundin - pity).
Cheers,
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tim Gallant

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Re: Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2024, 03:37:14 PM »
Thanks for posting Marty! It was wonderful to play the course in its original form. The thing that struck me was how well it all ebbs and flows as a whole. Gettable stretches followed by tough stretches and so on. The variety between the holes and the green complexes really stood out and I would happily play that course on a regular basis.


The two Leven clubs did mention that there were talks about amalgamation. As ever, it's held up by agreement on details like the name of the combined club, and what clubhouse to use. But I got the impression that it will happen.


My hope in writing this is that the clubs might open the original course to the public - either around the McDonald Trophy, or another time of year. From what I gathered, there wasn't too much required in the way of different set-up. In fact, the flags still remain from their respective club(S).

Marty Bonnar

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Re: Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2024, 03:54:12 PM »
What end did you start from??? I think it makes a helluva difference!
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tim Gallant

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Re: Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2024, 05:18:53 PM »
What end did you start from??? I think it makes a helluva difference!


This year it started from Leven 1, which I believe is the original way it was played. That felt right IMHO.

Michael Chadwick

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Re: Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 12:59:49 AM »
Very nice, Tim! You prompted me to revisit photos of my round in 2022 at Lundin, maybe in part because your claim that the composite course would be "worthy of the World Top 100" struck me as a bit of hyperbole. I found the course to be a mixed bag of sorts, though there are flashes of undeniably lovely bones. The green site of Lundin's current 4th, for example, is super. I quite liked current 6th and 7th holes, though neither of those would've been in the Old. Current 17 has outstanding land. I have the current course around Doak 4 or 5, though it doesn't take much imagination to see how its holes routed on the Old--1 through 5, 15 through 18--could punch a couple scores higher, especially if they were restored and presented at a caliber in line with Muirfield (that's asking a lot, but for a World 100 much is expected!).


This site helped me understand the old routing configuration: https://www.scottishgolfhistory.org/oldest-golf-courses/1846-leven-links/



Your article is a great nudge for me to prioritize playing Leven next time I'm in Fife, so that I can put the Old course routing together in my head. Thanks!   



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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 09:59:42 AM »
I’ve shared the link to the article over on the Golf Courses of Scotland Facebook group, where it’s generated a lot of interest - and favourable comment!
Cheers
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Tim Gallant

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Re: Lundin/Leven: a Gallant effort.
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 05:22:23 PM »
Very nice, Tim! You prompted me to revisit photos of my round in 2022 at Lundin, maybe in part because your claim that the composite course would be "worthy of the World Top 100" struck me as a bit of hyperbole. I found the course to be a mixed bag of sorts, though there are flashes of undeniably lovely bones. The green site of Lundin's current 4th, for example, is super. I quite liked current 6th and 7th holes, though neither of those would've been in the Old. Current 17 has outstanding land. I have the current course around Doak 4 or 5, though it doesn't take much imagination to see how its holes routed on the Old--1 through 5, 15 through 18--could punch a couple scores higher, especially if they were restored and presented at a caliber in line with Muirfield (that's asking a lot, but for a World 100 much is expected!).


This site helped me understand the old routing configuration: https://www.scottishgolfhistory.org/oldest-golf-courses/1846-leven-links/



Your article is a great nudge for me to prioritize playing Leven next time I'm in Fife, so that I can put the Old course routing together in my head. Thanks!   


Thanks for the post Michael. I think the 9 original holes from Lundin are brilliant, and although Tom D mentions in the Confidential Guide that they got the better of the split, I actually really enjoyed the Leven holes as well. Particularly 1, 2, 15, 16 & 18 on the original routing are all very interesting & unique holes. Taken as a collection, the green contouring throughout feels varied and interesting with front to back slopes (alla 1); some more significant slopes (like 18), and everything in the middle. I also love how well the greens often sit within the surrounds and are often just an extension of the land vs. anything built-up. You could argue 3 & 4 of Leven are just so-so, and the par-3s are good, but not spectacular. That said, the variety of the 4s more than makes up for these minor shortcomings.


The World 100 is a tough benchmark, but if it was played more often, I believe it would at least be in the discussion. For what it's worth, on a head to head with Silloth, I have it a bit ahead, and I LOVE Silloth and vote it in the world 100 :)

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