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jeffwarne

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2021, 03:29:53 PM »

I believe Bryson means no harm,and has many great qualities, he just needs some better advice-and to follow it. Fans have short memories and could warm up to him.


Jeff, I hope you're right, but I think fans have long memories. It will take a lot for Bryson to change is reputation and every little thing he does that is out of line will be magnified by his persona. His intensity might drive him to become world number one, but his outbursts will never endear him to the fans.


I'm not a Bryson fan for the record-at least not yet-he acts like a petulant child too often.
But remember there were lot of Tiger haters back in his days of cursing on air, terse interviews, spitting, etc.
But there weren't many haters to be found at the 2019 Masters or 2018 Tour Championship
« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 04:40:51 PM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Kalen Braley

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2021, 04:06:29 PM »
With basically every other sport, you can be as big of an asshole as you like, and people will look the other way....as long as you keep on winning.

Don't win and everyone turns on you....

V. Kmetz

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2021, 04:34:39 PM »
Aah..who cares, really?  Isn't a lot of any perception of any of this because we now can't get to the golf unless we take in all this hyper ancillary coverage narrative that the older of us never had to wade through?  Imagine if the Trevino Watson Grand Slam dust up happened in this era?

Besides, from the pro ranks, I see few renaissance men nor any great thinkers. Nothing bad mind you, but just flat uninteresting personalities who are golf zombies mostly. I so appreciate their high skill and poise to compete at the highest level in front of people; but still they have no great life lessons or models for me...

I'd think Bryson's parents are utterly proud of their son; I'd be too....wouldn't you be? The young man's dedication and work to realize whatever gifts he's been given to play the game are of the highest order. He's a US Am champion, he's a Us Open champ and he is the worthy icon for what may yet prove to be (if not already) a revolutionary approach to the game. 

I know the narrow issue of the thread is his comments, but given a choice between "Too Cool for School" Koepka and "Buzzy" BDC, I'm taking the latter, petulance and all.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2021, 04:40:15 PM »

I believe Bryson means no harm,and has many great qualities, he just needs some better advice-and to follow it. Fans have short memories and could warm up to him.


Jeff, I hope you're right, but I think fans have long memories. It will take a lot for Bryson to change is reputation and every little thing he does that is out of line will be magnified by his persona. His intensity might drive him to become world number one, but his outbursts will never endear him to the fans.


I'm not a Bryson fan for the record-at least not yet-he acts like a petulant child too often.
But remember there were lot of Tiger haters back in his days of cursing on air, terse interviews, spitting, etc.
But there weren't many to be found at the 2019 Masters or 2018 Tour Championship


If you treat people well you can get away with a lot. Tiger didn’t. Arnold did. There are a million great stories about Arnold. Tiger not so much, but I absolutely loved watching him play golf! It was amazing.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Peter Pallotta

Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2021, 05:11:08 PM »
Almost all the air went out of the BDC balloon for me when I realized that lanky South African youngster Wilko Neinaber is also hitting it 370+ yards via nearly 200 mph ball speeds -- but with half the effort, none of the drama, and a stock 9 degree Ping 425 driver. Pretty much the whole BDC narrative -- and all the articles about the knife-edge he lives on & the design challenges Cobra faces given his swing speed -- is based on a myth, ie the notion of his uniqueness & exceptionalism when it comes to distance. [I don't know for sure, but I'd say players like Tony Finau and several others have 'more in the tank' when they really need it.] What makes it interesting to me is that BDC himself so firmly and sincerely believes in that myth.


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jeffwarne

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2021, 06:25:59 PM »
Almost all the air went out of the BDC balloon for me when I realized that lanky South African youngster Wilko Neinaber is also hitting it 370+ yards via nearly 200 mph ball speeds -- but with half the effort, none of the drama, and a stock 9 degree Ping 425 driver. Pretty much the whole BDC narrative -- and all the articles about the knife-edge he lives on & the design challenges Cobra faces given his swing speed -- is based on a myth, ie the notion of his uniqueness & exceptionalism when it comes to distance. [I don't know for sure, but I'd say players like Tony Finau and several others have 'more in the tank' when they really need it.] What makes it interesting to me is that BDC himself so firmly and sincerely believes in that myth.



Yep
Time will tell whether his WF win was a false tell that reinforced his belief that driver was the way to go most of the time at most courses. Entertaining yes-the right choice? maybe
Jack and Tiger had tons in reserve and did OK.
Power is a huge advantage for many reasons(and kudos to Bryson for increasing his), not just for driving it far, but knowing when and how to harness it is useful as well.
Time will tell.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Tom_Doak

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2021, 08:31:35 AM »


Yep
Time will tell whether his WF win was a false tell that reinforced his belief that driver was the way to go most of the time at most courses. Entertaining yes-the right choice? maybe
Jack and Tiger had tons in reserve and did OK.
Power is a huge advantage for many reasons(and kudos to Bryson for increasing his), not just for driving it far, but knowing when and how to harness it is useful as well.
Time will tell.


I agree with this.


CONFIDENCE is a huge part of golf and for those first few months after his training, Bryson had loads of it - he really believed he had found a decisive advantage.


But now he is clearly starting to question himself - subconsciously, of course, he would never admit user error aloud - and when confidence turns to doubt, look out!  Kinda like my putting stroke the last couple of years.


EDIT:  worth noting, he shot 65 with no bogeys today, out of the glare of media.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2021, 08:54:16 AM »
He is one of the most brand focused pros ever. And he is prepared to blow it all up because he can’t shut up.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

John Kavanaugh

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2021, 09:15:18 AM »
Shutting up is a tall price to pay for something as fleeting as wealth and fame.


Ken Moum

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2021, 03:10:54 PM »
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2021, 06:22:52 PM »
BDC shoots 65 today, his career low round in a major:

https://golf.com/news/bryson-dechambeau-career-low-round-british-open/?utm_campaign=forecast&utm_source=golf.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=%7Bdate%28&user_email=46711a7d8752dad1b1e7b5ee908db635b52d3af08061f8b9672ff1570f17bd75&utm_term=GOLFcom%20Top%20Stories%20Newsletter


Does anyone here remember how Bobby Jones' career in St. Andrews began...and how it turned out?


BD is clearly an immature geek, give him time. He might get it.


 I hope so but BJ was still a teen when he walked off the course.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2021, 07:17:21 PM »
BDC shoots 65 today, his career low round in a major:

https://golf.com/news/bryson-dechambeau-career-low-round-british-open/?utm_campaign=forecast&utm_source=golf.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=%7Bdate%28&user_email=46711a7d8752dad1b1e7b5ee908db635b52d3af08061f8b9672ff1570f17bd75&utm_term=GOLFcom%20Top%20Stories%20Newsletter


Does anyone here remember how Bobby Jones' career in St. Andrews began...and how it turned out?


BD is clearly an immature geek, give him time. He might get it.

 I hope so but BJ was still a teen when he walked off the course.


Well according to Cobra, he's only actually 8, so apparently he's still got aways to go!  ;)

Tim Leahy

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2021, 04:21:23 AM »
BDC shoots 65 today, his career low round in a major:

https://golf.com/news/bryson-dechambeau-career-low-round-british-open/?utm_campaign=forecast&utm_source=golf.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=%7Bdate%28&user_email=46711a7d8752dad1b1e7b5ee908db635b52d3af08061f8b9672ff1570f17bd75&utm_term=GOLFcom%20Top%20Stories%20Newsletter


Does anyone here remember how Bobby Jones' career in St. Andrews began...and how it turned out?


BD is clearly an immature geek, give him time. He might get it.

 I hope so but BJ was still a teen when he walked off the course.


Well according to Cobra, he's only actually 8, so apparently he's still got aways to go!  ;)
Cobra has a ways to go too. Calling their pro stupid in print really puts out a welcome sign to other pros in the future. Maybe they just need to double down on Rickey Fowler. :D
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Sam Andrews

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2021, 10:41:40 AM »
I didn't hear Bryson attack the course, just his clubs.  I have always believed Cobra to be an inferior club and would never buy them. But Bryson is paid to use them and not changing to another manufacturer is his mistake. I will bet after Cobra calling him stupid and he saying their clubs suck there will be a change soon. The Cobra roster of pros is not much to speak of so he should have figured that out sooner, but money talks. I remember when coincidentally Payne Stewart changed clubs and had a difficult time. Bryson is young and will hopefully learn, but Cobra may be dead meat. :o




He sort of attacked the course in private to his caddy but in frustration. My son and I were there on Thursday and the lad found his drive on the 9th so we had a ringside seat for a frankly fabulous display of power out of the cabbage (asparagus in fact). BDC was polite, said thanks to the crowd in general for their efforts in finding his ball etc. He made a bit of a mess of the hole, as he should, having driven that wide. He was clearly ticked off with his play and we heard him mutter to his caddy as he walked to the 10th: "This is why I hate f***ing links golf!"


He's just young, frustrated at a style of course he rarely plays, and so vented. He didn't throw his clubs or shout, he was perfectly well behaved. He will get it in the end and will probably become as big a fan of links golf as Watson. But he does need to speed up.
He's the hairy handed gent, who ran amok in Kent.

Gib_Papazian

Re: If Bryson was my son... New
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2021, 03:32:36 PM »
The original question is what I would tell Bryson if he were my son:


"Bryson me lad, don't pay any more attention to the unctuous pukes flattering you than the armchair critics and fetid detractors - not one of whom is within 100 miles of your terminally nerdish, technical I.Q. . . . . worry more about the fact there is invariably a downstream price to pay for mounting a bored out, 427 Hemi motor on a chassis made for a mid-sized road racer."


Putting aside Barry Bonds (for you Brits, that was one of our hyper-pumped, 'roided out "American Cricket" players), I would opine the clearest cautionary tale would be Tiger himself. I spent a day with him, just before he turned professional. Then, just a few short years later . . . . . . don't tell me that skinny, lanky kid suddenly had a body (thick neck and shoulders) like John Elway, whose muscles rippled when he walked, without a whole lot of chemical help.


Sammy Sosa anybody? Add in irrational behavior, uncontrollable sex drive and basic instability . . . . . voila, sound familiar? 


I am not saying Bryson is juiced and jacked - and certainly has control of his intellectual faculties, BUT, everybody (Tiger particularly) who stacks a supercharger on their stock motor eventually starts blowing gaskets, throwing rods and twisting their chassis frame into pretzels from pure torque. Maybe Bryson is 100% protein shakes and pumping iron, but it is only a matter of time before the piper presents his invoice.






   
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Lou_Duran

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Re: If Bryson was my son...
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2021, 05:19:33 PM »
GP,


I see that you remain in good form.  Good analogy to the muscle car, though with proper use, maintenance and adjustments,  BDC might enjoy a near-normal golf life span.


BTW, I remain patient and optimistic that whatever you whispered into my son’s ear a few years back will one day bear fruit.

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