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Kevin Pallier

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I have been playing golf for around 30 years and the first World Golf list a saw was back in 1989.

A lot has changed over the years and the lists are compared below 2019 vs 1989 (N=New & NR=Not Ranked)

11 Pine Valley
24 Cypress Point Club
37 St. Andrews (Old)
412 Shinnecock Hills
539 National Golf Links of America
68 Royal County Down
76 Royal Melbourne (West)
814 Oakmont
93 Augusta National
1011 Royal Dornoch
112 Pebble Beach
125 Muirfield
1327 Royal Portrush
14N Sand Hills
1510 Merion (East)
1615 Pinehurst (No. 2)
1719 Trump Turnberry 
1873 Fishers Island
1944 Chicago Golf Club
2035 Los Angeles Country Club (North)
219 Ballybunion
2250 Kingston Heath
2317 Winged Foot (West)
24N Bandon (Pacific Dunes)
2521 Crystal Downs
26N Friar's Head
27N Tara Iti
2830 Riviera
2943 Sunningdale (Old)
3047 San Francisco
3116 Prairie Dunes
3223 Carnoustie
3336 Royal St. George's
3413 Seminole
35N Barnbougle (Dunes)
36NR Lahinch (Old)
37NR North Berwick (West)
3848 The Country Club
3933 Hirono
4024 Royal Birkdale
4194 Morfontaine
4289 Somerset Hills
43N Cabot Cliffs
44N Cape Kidnappers
45NR Shoreacres
4658 New South Wales GC
4772 Garden City Golf Club
4832 Portmarnock
4928 Southern Hills
50 NR The California Club
5141 Royal Troon
5292 Camargo
53NR Bethpage (Black)
5426 Woodhall Spa
55NR Swinley Forest
56NR Kawana (Fuji)
57N Ballyneal
58N Kiawah Island (Ocean)
5931 Casa de Campo
60N Cape Wickham
6167 Royal Lytham & St. Annes
62NR Winged Foot (East)
63NR Cruden Bay
6491 Maidstone
6561 Royal Liverpool
66N Castle Stuart
67NR Rye
6854 TPC Sawgrass
69N Whistling Straits (Straits)
70N Diamante (Dunes)
71N Kingsbarns
7218 Oakland Hills (South)
73NR Sunningdale (New)
7438 Quaker Ridge
75NR Prestwick
76NR Sleepy Hollow
77N Ellerston
78NR Royal Hague (Koninklijke Haagsche)
7922 The Olympic Club
80N Bandon (Dunes)
8153 Inverness
82N Cabot Links
8378 Yale University
8442 The Golf Club
8520 Muirfield Village
86NR St. George's Hill
87N Bandon (Trails)
88NR Utrechtse de Pan
89N Barnbougle (Lost Farm)
9085 Walton Heath (Old)
91NR Peachtree
92NR Myopia Hunt Club
93NR Machrihanish
94N Nine Bridges
95NR St. George's
96NR Royal Melbourne (East)
97NR Waterville
98N Ohoopee Match Club
99N Rock Creek Cattle Company
100N Trump Scotland
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 07:30:03 PM by Kevin Pallier »

Kevin Pallier

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2019, 07:21:52 PM »
The following 45 courses were ranked back in 1989 this way
25   Baltusrol (Lower)   
29   Harbour Town   
34   Oak Hill (East)   
37   Kasumigaseki (East)   
40   Medinah (No. 3)   
45   Campo de Golf El Saler   
46   Colonial   
49   Shoal Creek   
51   The Honors Course   
52   The Homestead (Cascades)   
55   National GC of Canada   
56   El Rincon Club de Golf   
57   Wild Dunes (Links)   
59   Firestone (South)   
60   Scioto   
62   Butler National   
63   Wentworth (West)   
64   Troon Country Club   
65   Durban Country Club   
66   Cherry Hills   
68   Haig Point Club   
69   Ganton   
70   Baltimore (East)   
71   Capilano   
74   Long Cove   
75   Royal Montreal (Blue)   
76   Victoria   
77   PGA West (TPC Stadium)   
79   Huntingdale   
80   Canterbury   
81   Oak Tree National   
82   Royal Dar-Es-Salaam G.C. (Red)   
83   Royal Adelaide   
84   Phoenix Country Club   
86   Sotogrande (Real Royal)   
87   Club de Golf Mexico   
88   Essex County Club   
90   PGA West (Nicklaus)   
93   Lake Nona   
95   Commonwealth   
96   Point O' Woods Golf & Country Club   
97   The Australian   
98   Pevero   
99   Paraparaumu Beach   
100   Pine Tree   

Some observations:
-There's nearly been a 50% turnover in the list (45 out/in)
- 21 "New" courses built have entered the current list. Of those only 7 are in the current Top50 and 2 in the Top 25 (Sand Hills and Pacific Dunes)
- Biggest movers up = Fishers Island (+55), Morfontaine (+53), Somerset Hills (+47)
- Biggest movers down = Baltusrol L (-76), Harbour Town (-72), Oak Hill (-67) & out of Top100
- A lot of "classic" venues have entered the list particularly from GB&I
- A fair few PGA Tour / Manjor venues have moved out of the list
- The mix has changed somewhat with USA down / GB&I up roughly around 10 courses
 - Clearly- template hole courses weren't appreciated back in the 80's (see NGLA / Fishers Island / Chicago) :)
« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 07:31:14 PM by Kevin Pallier »

Eric LeFante

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2019, 07:34:50 PM »
Great work Kevin

Mark_Fine

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2019, 07:45:42 PM »
Whether they are in the Top 100 in the World which we could debate forever or on our own personal Top 100 list (for those here who have played 100 different courses  :) ) you could throw a dart and any of those courses listed would yield something special. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2019, 09:56:54 PM »
Whether they are in the Top 100 in the World which we could debate forever or on our own personal Top 100 list (for those here who have played 100 different courses  :) ) you could throw a dart and any of those courses listed would yield something special.


Not if the dart hit on Huntingdale, Firestone (South), El Rincon, or a few others on the 30-year-old list [which was produced when I was in charge of the list, mea culpa]

Mark_Fine

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2019, 10:45:06 PM »
Tom,
You may be right but there will always be a couple head scratchers on most any list. 
Mark

Matthew Rose

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2019, 11:14:21 PM »
I don't usually pay attention to these things but I'm going to be interested in seeing where those courses undergoing significant "restorations" end up in a few years, like Inverness, Oak Hill, etc..



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Brent Carlson

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2019, 11:00:14 PM »
With the exception of Pinhurst #2 Ross took quite a hit.


Oakland Hills down 54!

Inverness down 28

Oak Hill - no longer ranked

Scioto - no longer ranked

Can Ross courses make up ground after the restorations are complete or has his architectural style gone out of favor for the foreseeable future?

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2019, 11:03:46 AM »
With the exception of Pinhurst #2 Ross took quite a hit.


Oakland Hills down 54!

Inverness down 28

Oak Hill - no longer ranked

Scioto - no longer ranked

Can Ross courses make up ground after the restorations are complete or has his architectural style gone out of favor for the foreseeable future?


I think it has more to do with who renovated these Ross courses before who are now out of style (Oakland Hills - RTJ, Inverness - Fazio)- not Ross himself. I've heard great things about the changes at Inverness, and would imagine some of the others will improve too as they undergo renovations by golden age minded designers

Mike Hendren

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2019, 01:44:42 PM »
Ross’ style going out of favor? If so perhaps it’s only because today’s hot shots can’t touch him so they don’t try. I bet Donald could do, say C&C on a great site.  The real question is could Bill and Ben do Ross on an average one.


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Brent Carlson

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2019, 09:38:29 PM »
With the exception of Pinhurst #2 Ross took quite a hit.


Oakland Hills down 54!

Inverness down 28

Oak Hill - no longer ranked

Scioto - no longer ranked

Can Ross courses make up ground after the restorations are complete or has his architectural style gone out of favor for the foreseeable future?


I think it has more to do with who renovated these Ross courses before who are now out of style (Oakland Hills - RTJ, Inverness - Fazio)- not Ross himself. I've heard great things about the changes at Inverness, and would imagine some of the others will improve too as they undergo renovations by golden age minded designers


Yeah I understand what you are saying.  Let's see how far they rebound after raters have a chance to see the restorations.  I forgot to mention Seminole, which is still a relatively pure Ross that also fell (21 spots).

jeffwarne

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2019, 10:14:44 PM »
  The real question is could Bill and Ben do Ross on an average one.


or 400 of them

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Tim Martin

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Re: 30 Years is a long time in Golf (Golf Magazine World 2019 vs 1989)
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2019, 08:05:55 AM »
A couple of things jumped out at me after a glance at Kevin’s lists. First a precipitous fall for Baltusrol Lower from 25 in 1989 to 101 in 2019. Finally I didn’t recall or forgot that Haig Point was so highly ranked in 1989. I came away with the feeling that despite the beautiful location the course was overly penal with too many forced carries. It seems to be somewhat out of favor now despite which rating authority is used.