All US courses must cease and desist calling any hole a Redan. Just stop it.

[mike_malone]

It’s the two bunkers short and to the right at the only Redan that make the hole.

[John Kavanaugh]

Redan spills far to easily over an IPA soaked tongue. #woke

[Ira Fishman]

It’s the two bunkers short and to the right at the only Redan that make the hole.

I loved the 15th at NB too, but assuming your criterion is correct (I will leave others to comment), there are Redans in the US that have two bunkers short. Yale is one if memory serves. Others have one extended bunker that seems to serve the same purpose.


Ira

[Greg Smith]

I think the 2nd at Somerset Hills and the 6th at Yeamans Hall both have the two short bunkers.

[Erik J. Barzeski]

It’s the two bunkers short and to the right at the only Redan that make the hole.

If that's the case (that there's only one Redan), how exacting do the features of a hole have to be to meet your qualifications of "A Redan"? What if the bunkers are there, but too shallow, or too small? Too big? What if the tilt of the green isn't quite severe enough? And if you define the term so narrowly that there's only one, what's the point in that?

I don't see much sense in applying such a narrow definition. The sixth at Fox Chapel meets the criteria, I think, for a Redan. Or a Reverse Redan if you want to dictate the shape.

Just as not all Road Hole holes are exactly the same as the original Road Hole, but we all know where the original is.

[MCirba]

Mayday,


I've been trying to enforce your decree back here in the colonies and so far it's not going very well.


Send reinforcements!

[Peter Pallotta]

Good luck, Mike(s).
To paraphrase yet another Mike (Corleone): if history has taught us anything, it is that you can kill anyone call anything a Redan...

(I wish CBM-Raynor had never mentioned the golf holes they were paying homage to, or even that they were paying homage at all. That way architects for decades could’ve freely & endlessly borrowed or copied or been ‘inspired by’ the very same golf holes without the risk of being called unimaginative or having their work compared unfavourably to the ‘originals’. I’d bet there’d be a heck of a lot more good golf holes around. But instead CBM spilled the beans, and inadvertently gave all of us access to the secret coven — and a marketing ploy to boot!)

[mike_malone]

These aren’t two bunkers. These are two BUNKERS!!!

[mike_malone]

Just finished for the second time today. I don’t want to see all that green on the right! What about the huge dip in front.


Don’t copy this effing hole!

[Thomas Dai]

Below is a painting of the time of the specific Redan fortress in the Crimean War that RBGC's famous hole is named after.
The fortress is in the middle of the painting with a pointed 'V'-shape raised front and fall-aways on both sides. Seem familiar?
In addition I believe that the 'floor' inside the fort may have sloped away from front-to-rear (so cannon balls would bounce rather than dig-in). Again seem familiar?
atb

[Ira Fishman]

We played NB twice as well. 15 is a great hole, but pretty hard to choose among 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 which is best. May not be the best stretch of holes I have played (although hard pressed to think of another), but unquestionably the most unique.


Ira

[Kyle Harris]

Jeez. We'll stretch to add golfing significance to the world just for the sake of sounding #woke.


*sets down the peanut butter stout*



A redan is a projection in a fortification (which may or may not be a redoubt) with an open back. Several redans put together can form a redoubt - which is fully enclosed.


A simple google search would should that the term is much more military than golf.


A bouncing cannon ball was FAR more dangerous than one that dug in. Artillerists would attempt to bounce solid shot into lines as opposed to fly them all the way to increase their chances of hitting something.

[Bruce Katona]

No peanut butter stout for BK; he prefers either a La Fin du Monde (Canadian) or La Chouffe (Belgian).  IMHO Somerset Hills and Yale both have pretty darn good examples.

[Ed Brzezowski]

so you finally played NB?


how did you like the pit? did you drive 18?

[V_Halyard]

Mayday,


I've been trying to enforce your decree back here in the colonies and so far it's not going very well.


Send reinforcements!

Mike,... War is hell

[Tim Martin]

No peanut butter stout for BK; he prefers either a La Fin du Monde (Canadian) or La Chouffe (Belgian).  IMHO Somerset Hills and Yale both have pretty darn good examples.

Yale presents a challenge in getting the shot deep enough into the green to have the ball funnel to the left. It can come back off the green or get hung up on the center/right portion on a weaker shot that doesn’t carry far enough. There is a front right position that can be used to instill fear in the faithful and theres a good chance you might see it around the Harvest Moon.

[Bill Brightly]

It’s the two bunkers short and to the right at the only Redan that make the hole.

Really? Did you omit the sarcasm font?

[mike_malone]

It’s the two bunkers short and to the right at the only Redan that make the hole.

Really? Did you omit the sarcasm font?

Bill
I meant in addition to the obvious features that are so often mentioned.

[MCirba]

Mayday,


I've been trying to enforce your decree back here in the colonies and so far it's not going very well.


Send reinforcements!

Mike,... War is hell

Let me know when to release the catapults, General Malone!

[Mark_Fine]

So what if they call their hole a “Redan”!  Isn’t it good that they are at least trying to talk about golf architecture? Would you prefer they talk about adding trees and putting in ponds     It’s no different than someone calling a hole a Biarritz just because it has some kind of swale in it.  It’s all good