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Steve_ Shaffer

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ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« on: February 20, 2019, 09:31:46 AM »
Arizona State’s long-planned closing of Karsten Golf Course will occur in early May with the first development on the property to be multi-purpose fields for student and athletic use.
The 18-hole course, designed by Pete Dye, opened in September 1989, and sits about seven miles east of Phoenix Sky Harbor airport, just east of ASU’s Tempe campus.
The golf course is part of the 330-acre ASU athletic facilities district, created in 2010 by the Arizona Legislature, that is now called the Novus Innovation Corridor and being master planned by ASU and Catellus Development Corporation.
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https://golfweek.com/2019/02/19/end-of-an-era-arizona-states-karsten-golf-course-to-close-in-may/
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 11:53:05 AM »
The land was more valuable to ASU to develop and attract more out of state students who pay more tuition than residents. Commercial and residential development is a part of the Master Plan.


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Jason Topp

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 12:21:08 PM »
While I hate to see any course close, if you were going to choose one to shut down this would be a prime candidate.  That land was pretty bad for golf, particularly in contrast to nearby Papago. 


While each course closure involves multiple causes, it does seem to me that design quality is a factor affecting whether courses survive. That factor does not have as big of an impact as location or potential alternative uses of the land.  However good courses spark loyalty that make it more difficult to plow them under when other economic factors suggest other more lucrative uses of the land.   

James Brown

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 02:08:26 PM »
Didn’t it get a Doak Scale zero?    I played it a long time ago and didn’t think it was that bad.  Just nothing special.

Mark Smolens

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 04:55:43 PM »
It was the first course I played where they had a cart which could carry all 4 bags, allowing me to walk while my parents could ride. For a long time was kept in very nice condition (obviously ASU golf had a great deal of cachet). Lots of worse places to tee it up in the Valley imo

Kevin Moore

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 08:40:07 PM »
For sentimental reasons, I will miss this place. I had divorced golf during my graduate studies at ASU, but it was mostly there that I chased that white thing around the few times I played. I can't say I'll miss much about the course, however. I found it to be awkward in its flow and uninspiring in play.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2019, 08:17:40 PM »
Timely, as Bohemian Rhapsody is up for The Oscars:


Another “0” Bites The Dust

James Brown

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Re: ASU's Karsten GC( Dye, 1989) to close in May
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2019, 08:59:30 PM »
Timely, as Bohemian Rhapsody is up for The Oscars:


Another “0” Bites The Dust


Cruel.  Awesome but cruel.