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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2017, 10:25:42 AM »



Second time out (in March, 1967) it snowed and rained, but we kept going to play all 54. The old pro, John Marshall, sat in a golf cart as we came on the tee and when putting out, presented us each with a guest bill for $142, which translates to 1,026 today. Imagine taking that home to Dad at age 12!



Wow! Don't leave us hanging details!
How'd that come about and what happened when you went home?


I was actually surprised.  Dad said a few things, but wrote the check. Deep down, they were never comfy with me sponging golf on the neighbors, didn't like them fleecing their own club, and did pay his bills.  Overall, I think Dad figured in I had gotten in way more free golf at Medinah than that amount......and it would have been the same for me to play public golf courses on his dime.....


There was another guy there, too, but his Dad refused to pay.  Interesting, but as age, we (I?) tend to think of the past as more honest, etc., but I doubt things have changed much.  Some people are stand up, others aren't.  At least, to me, it seems the percentage of honest folks creeps down a bit every year, but maybe that is just part of the aging process.  Hey, I remember that gum cost a nickel before that round! :)


And in the name of honesty, after thinking about it, it was 1969 or 1970, and I had just turned 15 when we got caught, because all three of us were on the Freshman Golf team......So, the bill would only be about $884, not nearly so bad! 
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Steve Salmen

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2017, 12:27:36 PM »
Nice topic JJ.

I have had four courses that have defined my golfing life than most others for a variety of reasons.

I grew up in Northern California and probably played Ukiah Golf Course 200 times per year from age 14-18.  It was nothing special architecturally, nor was it very difficult.  However there were several good junior players, of which I was the worst, and we had great games and matches.  The head pro was Steve Frye.  He devoted a disproportionate amount of his time to the junior program.  Were it not for him, I probably would not have continued playing.

When I went to Scotland for the first time in 1991, my first experience with links golf was at Muirfield.  I looked out over the course from the clubhouse and saw golfing terrain the kind of which I had never seen.  TV just did not do justice to the land.  It left an impression that remains, as it is my favorite golf course.  I've gotten to play it several times since and turn into the 19 year old kid I was the first time around.

I went to Dornoch for two rounds in 1999.   I met several members and was proposed for membership.  Since that trip, I have not returned to Scotland without going to Dornoch.  At this point, visiting friends is nearly as important as playing golf there.  In 2009 my wife and I spent four months living in a house on the second hole.  In all likelihood, my ashes will be scattered in the sea off the course.

I was a member at Flossmoor CC from 2005 through 2008.  The golf course is very good.  It is the kind of course that you can take your game anywhere.  The greens play firm and fast so approach shots from all distances and lies must be struck properly.  I went there with a 4 handicap.  After my first lesson with Mr. Ogilvie, it went to 1 where it remained for two or three years.  He helped me become a better player and better at practicing.  I probably played 60-80 times per year while at Flossmoor.  I return once a year to Flossmoor to see Mr. Ogilvie and will always remember my time with him on the range as the best time at Flossmoor.

Matthew Petersen

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2017, 02:06:57 PM »
I suppose the first is Aurora Hills, a really terrible muni in the Denver suburb where I grew up. Not a good golf course, nor the first place I played, but probably the place I played the most growing up. I remember taking city lessons here and how on Friday mornings we could go out and play the back nine for a buck. I remember my mom dropping off me and my friends here in the morning and we'd play 18, 27, 36, as many holes as we could. It's the site of my first birdie, first hole out (same shot), and first eagle. I had the chance to play a lot of other better courses growing up, but well into high school I was still more than happy to meet a friend at Aurora Hills for a round. I was a course junkie from an early age and I knew this course was terrible in almost every way, but it was golf and I've always been happy to tee it up anytime anywhere.


The next is probably Castle Pines, which I visited as a spectator every year attending the now defunct International PGA Tour stop. This is a Nicklaus design in the foothills with huge elevation changes and waterfalls and no shame in their effort to emulate Augusta. As a kid, this was the best example to me of what a great golf course was--exclusive, hyper conditioned, hard, gaudy. In a few years I would come to reject almost all of that as 'good' in any way, perhaps especially including the mid-80's style of Nicklaus design.


In college in Tucson, I spent a summer playing a ton of rounds at a muni called El Rio. Built as a private club by Billy Bell in the late 20s and then re-worked by Tillinghast in the 30s (so they say--the Tillinghast society makes no mention of it) and an early site of the Tucson Open, by the time I was playing there it was a beat up maybe near death muni that was in the wrong part of town and on the wrong side of history. It's a short course, not well preserved, but with a nice layout on a small site and the holes have movement. They also have, almost universally, tiny little crowned greens and this is what led me to discover the real pleasures of golf on firm ground. I was playing here over a Tucson summer, usually on a walking rate of $4 for rounds after 4pm. In early summer that course was a s dry as it gets and holding a tony crowned green with any kind of lofted shot was absolutely impossible. You could bomb drives but miss the green even with a "good" wedge shot from inside 100 yards. So I had to learn to bounce it in, and not just bounce it in, but really judge where to land it, assess how much the hill in front might kill it, all that. It was a blast. Then the monsoons hit and suddenly the course was wet enough that you could stop your ball easily. And suddenly, even though I was scoring better (a late summer round here was the first time I shot in the 60s), it wasn't nearly as much fun. It would still be a few years before I'd make it up to Phoenix and see, via Talking Stick, how great a course can be playing firm when it's really designed for it.


Finally, I have to put out Pebble Beach. I think I visited Pebble four times before playing it. A couple times on vacation, just stopping to look at it--my dad had turned me on to golf and bless her heart my mom didn't complain too much if large portions of our vacations were devoted to just stopping in at golf courses ... just to look, maybe get a scorecard or a yardage book. I also got to see the 2000 US Open there. My dad was slated to go--I was back in Colorado for the summer, home from college--as a work deal and at the last minute someone dropped out and he somehow pulled strings to get me to come along. I literally left in the middle of a work shift to go pack and get to the airport. That was the first time I walked the course. It was also on that trip that I first said to myself, "I have to play here with my dad someday." And that was just one of those thoughts that lives in the back of your head. I was serious about it, but because the idea had first occurred to me in college when it was a complete impossibility, it sort of stayed like that, this idea of a thing I definitely intended to do someday, but without any realistic plan of when or how it was going to happen. Fast forward many years later, my dad is retired at 63 and has a heart attack. Little more than a year after my son, his first grandchild, was born. He had a triple bypass and made it through, but it was horrifying. That was late January 2011 (I was watching the Torrey Pines tournament when mom called with the news.) A year later I'm watching the tournament at Pebble and the thought of how I've always wanted to play there passes through my head and this time it kinda stuck. The memory of what my dad had gone through was fresh, because we were right around a year out from it. It really hit home--someday is something that can stop being a possibility. The next day at work I started actually looking at what it would really cost to go to Pebble, stay at the resort, play a couple times. And, yeah, it was a hell of a lot of money, but it was feasible. I talked to my wife, I talked to my mom, and pretty soon we were all in. And so in July 2012, the week he turned 65, I took my parents (and my wife and son) to Pebble Beach and played Spyglass and Pebble with my dad.

Buck Wolter

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2017, 02:31:46 PM »
Sunkissed Meadows a NLE Par 3 course in Fort Dodge IA. In a very rough part of town but the only public option within the city limits. Hole in one on my 18th birthday remains my only 1*.

Waveland Municipal in Des Moines -- spent 3 years playing there after College and really became obsessed by the game here. Aspiring Pro Friend lived above the pro shop who taught me to play. Lots of playing golf 'til dark after work all season long and a great place to play.

Gateway National in St Louis - Keith Foster design that had nothing going for it --dead flat brownfield site sandwiched between a race track, a landfill and a rendering plant that could all overwhelm your senses depending on the wind but somehow it was a very good golf course with outstanding strategy.

Kingsley Club-For a kid who started playing on #1 being a member at a place like this seems unimaginable. Still pinch myself every time I get a chance to tee it up here and nowhere I'd rather do it.
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

JHoulihan

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2017, 01:04:18 AM »
Arcadia Bluffs - Arcadia MI
My first road trip alone strictly for enjoyment of golf
Black Sheep - Sugar Grove IL
My first GCA outing. Met with course architect David Esler and talked with him about ongoing project at Pacific Gales
Erin Hills - Erin WI
Walking an amazing peiece of property watching Kelly Kraft/Patrick Cantlay from only feet away. No ropes, no huge galleries, just golf fans watching the US Amateur up close instead of on television
Forest Dunes and Kinglsley Club - Northern MI
Furthest road trip to ever play golf. Probably the best 48 hours of my golf history as a single player with nearly the course entirely to myself
Honeywell - Wabash IN
My "home" course growing up
Sagamore - Noblesville IN
First private golf club experience, as a player, and not a spectator
Valhalla - Louisville KY
Most excited I have ever been on a golf course. Ryder Cup 2008

Soon to add in 2017. Ballyneal, Dismal (Red/White), Prairie Club, Wild Horse
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cary lichtenstein

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2017, 06:53:45 AM »
Pebble Beach and Pine Valley
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2017, 09:33:10 AM »
Siasconset Golf Club - Nantucket, MA:  Site of my first 9 hole playing experience as a young boy.


Springdale Golf Club - Princeton, NJ (Flynn): Where I grew up as a caddy listening to the Old-timers from Trenton tell stories in the yard. Where, on a Monday, the caddymaster (ex-tour pro) saw me on the range with my lefty set. He stopped, yelled at me, gave me a right hand driver and three pointers....BOOM....I play righty now.


Lawrenceville School Golf Course - Lawrenceville, NJ (Reid?): Where I spent hundreds of happy hours playing with my (lifelong) friends. Location where I first got to "second base"...;-)....and found a 60 year old antique putter burried in a bunker. Where, in my first ever tournament, i topped my drive on #8 and it was heading into the pond where it hit the shell of a surfaced turtle and bounced harmlessly to the other side.








Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2017, 03:08:35 PM »
Aronimink GC – Newtown Square, PA. The first Big Boy course. Growing up there and tooling around with my grandfather and father was my introduction to golf. When Fazio renovated the course in preparation for the 1993 PGA Championship, I thought that is the kind of golf course everyone wants to play. WRONG. When Ron Prichard came in a number of years later and undid much of Fazio’s work with a plan to restore to Ross’ original intent, is when I first learned of course architecture. I think it was not long after that I heard about, searched out, and finally got my hands on the Confidential Guide.
Old Masters GC – Newtown Square, PA. Shitty little par-3 course that my friends and I would play seemingly daily, during the summers as a kid.  Low on quality, but overflowing with great times.
The Olympic Club (Lake) – San Francisco, CA. The first time I played it, I didn’t know what it was that got to me. Now that I get to play it often, I think it’s one of those courses that has a “sense of place”. Obviously other courses have this as well, and many have it in spades, but the Lake Course, especially on a foggy summer afternoon reminds me how special a course can be based on its environment.
Victoria National GC – Newburgh, IN. Where I realized that I’m not good enough to enjoy really difficult courses, and that fun is what I’m looking for.
Shoreacres – Lake Forest, IL. Where I realized that a course that’s fun to play is the kind of course that I’m looking for.
Prestwick – Scotland. Fun, interesting, and even weird is way better than hit it straight then hit it straight again.
Seminole GC – Juno Beach, FL. Played here with my father and a friend of his, both of whom suffered from the Augusta effect (i.e. Green good. Brown bad). Our host “lectured” us around the third hole on how the club wants brown, firm & fast conditions and how he thought that brings the entire course into play. It was fun to watch my dad and his buddy start to see the benefits as well.

Kirk Gill

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2017, 11:29:50 AM »
Like Matthew Petersen, I was raised on muni golf, and in my case it was the City of Denver munis, especially Willis Case. Not a bad course - it has "good bones." It has a lot of the things you want in a course where you're learning to play this game - wide fairways, par fours of various lengths, a crazy green or two, a blind shot here and there...... the fifth and sixth were a favorite stretch, with the fifth a long uphill par 5 against the prevailing wind that doglegs to the left with the hillside falling away to the right, and then the sixth, a very short, downhill, dogleg right par 5 with the prevailing wind. I can still remember the first time I parred the fifth, and the very first eagle of my life on the sixth - although they've since made the sixth a par 4, now the #1 handicap hole on the course!


the other thing that I think defined my golfing life wasn't really a course, it was a book ABOUT courses. The World Atlas of Golf, with the painted renderings of the various great courses of the world. It let me dream about playing those places. Before the internet and great sites like this one, it was the go-to place to read about the courses, their history, and the way they play.
"After all, we're not communists."
                             -Don Barzini

Mac Plumart

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2017, 05:40:31 PM »
These are the courses I've played the most, hence they've had the most impact on my golfing life.


Rivermont
The Golf Club
Dismal River (White and Red)
East Lake
St. Ives


The one in Michigan?


Sorry for the delay.  Nope.  The St. Ives I'm talking about is the one in Duluth, GA.  I was a member there a few years back and played it a bunch.  Very nice club.  Very well manicured Fazio course.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Dave August

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Re: The Courses That Have Defined Your Golfing Life
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2017, 10:08:11 PM »
Crumpin Fox (MA) - The first really challenging course I ever played, early in my golf career. Set the bar for all courses which came after it.


Troon North (AZ) - (when there was only one course) 1995. My introduction to target/desert golf, as well as my first trip to the southwest US. Showed me what expensive conditioning was supposed to look like. Fastest greens I had ever played.


Dormie Club (NC) - my first experience w C&C design, just loved how the course seemed to flow with the land, in a part of the country that I had never seen before.


Desert Forest (AZ) - I was introduced to it by hearing a friend say it was "the hardest f'ing course I have ever played." I called up, showed up, played it twice, and joined. Best decision of my golf life.