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Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« on: June 04, 2018, 08:20:37 PM »
Thought Brad Klein's Golf Advisor piece on the Inverness resto-vation was a really good read. I'd love to see/play it one of these days! At the end of the article, Klein states that there are "... a dozen other American courses with reputations to reclaim". Some we know are already on that path like Oak Hill and Olympia Fields. Evidently Congressional is in the early stages too, and now I read through the twitter/instagram universe that there are plans for Scioto and Oakland Hills.
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[/size]In my estimation, that leaves just a handful of clubs with Golden Age or classic, "championship" courses (i.e. US Open/PGA Championship) as outliers. Riviera, Olympic, and Baltusrol are most prominent among them, but what others would qualify? Interlachen? Medinah #3? Saucon Valley? How about Bellerive?
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[/size]And, does this signal the end of the Jones (RT, RT II, and Rees), Fazio (George and Tom), Nicklaus era? We've certainly been on the downward part of that curve, but these were the last notable holdouts while clubs like LACC, Winged Foot, Aronimink, Cherry Hills, Philly Cricket headed the other way.

Cal Seifert

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2018, 08:26:19 PM »
Hopefully the clubs don't do the restoration, get a major, then let the USGA undo many of the changes to keep its difficulty.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2018, 09:35:48 PM »
Was there ever a truly great version of Congressional to be restored?  Or Medinah #3?  Or Olympic, Baltusrol, or Bellerive?


There are still some courses aching for a great restoration, but the championship venues are not the best candidates.

Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2018, 11:22:02 PM »
Was there ever a truly great version of Congressional to be restored?  Or Medinah #3?  Or Olympic, Baltusrol, or Bellerive?


There are still some courses aching for a great restoration, but the championship venues are not the best candidates.


That maybe true, but I guess my question was more along the lines of which remaining older/championship style courses that became more difficult over the years, in hopes of chasing major championship golf, are now going back to their architectural roots... Great or not?

Greg Smith

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2018, 11:56:46 PM »
The roots of Congressional would be.... what exactly?  Let's review:

Devereux Emmet laid out the original course in 1924, I believe.  That course occupied the land of the present Blue front nine (with a rather different routing), and nine holes of the present Gold (with fewer routing changes).  Dan Wexler shows the old front nine in his book.

In 1930, it seems Donald Ross made some changes, though I think that is disputed. 

In 1957, with the club trying to get the 1964 Open, RT Jones built an entirely new nine holes on an adjoining piece of land.  That became the back nine of the present Blue Course.  However, the USGA didn't want to finish on the par-3 18th, so that hole was deleted from the tournament setup (along with the 16th) and two of Emmet's holes became the 16th and 17th holes for Open purposes.

At this time, Jones also completely re-routed Emmet's front nine.  Emmet's 2nd, 7th, and 8th holes were included in the new routing -- but they were the 5th, 4th, and 3rd respectively.  Detail-wise, the whole course was done up in a flashed-face bunker style and got new tree plantings.
When the 1997 Open was awarded to Congressional, the USGA and the club wanted to hark back to a more "classic" look and had Rees Jones redo all the bunkers with grass faces.  I guess as a "quaint" historical reference they also decided to "restore" RT Jones's par-3 18th (from the old days of 1957, haha), and bring back his old 16th hole too.  The two Emmet holes went back to be a permanent part of the Gold Course, now expanded to 18 holes.
None of this exactly made the Blue Course a classic Golden Age gem.
That par-3 18th was actually sort of a pain in the butt during that 97 Open, so for the 2011 Open a new and awful REVERSED version was created which became the 10th, permanently shifting the entire back nine sequence one hole.  Like the third at Inverness, that hole sticks out like a sore thumb.
So, what's the point of "restoring" any of that?  Now, to be fair I don't think Congressional is such a bad golf course.  However, just because Devereux Emmet started the project out in the 1920s, that doesn't make it a "classic" worthy of note.  It's a product of the architectural Dark Ages that has been cared for well enough to be a decent place to play.
Even in Maryland (not exactly a golf-heavy state like NJ or PA), Congressional can't compete well with Baltimore CC Five Farms (East).
O fools!  who drudge from morn til night
And dream your way of life is wise,
Come hither!  prove a happier plight,
The golfer lives in Paradise!                      

John Somerville, The Ballade of the Links at Rye (1898)

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 10:00:09 AM »
Was there ever a truly great version of Congressional to be restored?  Or Medinah #3?  Or Olympic, Baltusrol, or Bellerive?


There are still some courses aching for a great restoration, but the championship venues are not the best candidates.

Bellerive is on a great piece of land. I think if they desire to be a top 100 course and in the discussion for major championships in the future they'll have to redo the entire course, bringing in a guy like you,Gil Hanse, etc. 

Jim_Coleman

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 10:24:41 AM »
Tom:  Your post begs the question:  What are the courses "aching for a great restoration."

Matthew Petersen

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 10:57:45 AM »
I'd be interested to see the Broadmoor do something. They currently have this strange mishmash of East/West courses that are a mix of some Ross holes, some Jones holes and the Ross holes over the years have lost some of their character.


I don't even know if it's possible to have a "Jones" course out there, but I'd sure love to see a return to the Ross course somehow.

mike_malone

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 11:45:25 AM »
Tom:  Your post begs the question:  What are the courses "aching for a great restoration."


So it’s “Tom” now. 
AKA Mayday

Jim_Coleman

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 03:39:38 PM »
Mr. Malone:  Yes, we are on a first name basis.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 08:34:13 AM »
Tom:  Your post begs the question:  What are the courses "aching for a great restoration."


Jim:


I've identified a few of them in recent volumes of The Confidential Guide, with a couple more coming in Volume 5.


But I don't want to list them all in one place, and send my fellow architects buzzing around them.  Hopefully I will have a chance to check off a few more of them myself in the next ten years.

Mike Schott

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 10:08:46 AM »
I thought the Oakland Hills members voted down a restoration of some sort to their South course. Has this changed?

Michael George

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 11:21:25 AM »
Seems like a lot of opportunities in Canada:

Capilano
Hamilton
Jasper Park
Toronto
Banff Springs
Continuing the process at Highland Links

In the US, the biggest name not mentioned would likely be the Cascades Course in Virginia. 
"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Chris Macios

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 11:34:01 PM »
Was recently announced Gil was hired at Baltusrol. Any ideas what he may try to do there (or perhaps more importantly, what the members want him to do)?

Steve Lapper

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Re: Restorations: Bel-Air. Inverness, et al.
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 02:49:41 PM »
Was recently announced Gil was hired at Baltusrol. Any ideas what he may try to do there (or perhaps more importantly, what the members want him to do)?


He'll be investing in chainsaw futures and hedging by selling lumber futures for starters. If the BoD there manages to leave him alone, he'll give them something to be far prouder of than what they have today.
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