[Ruediger Meyer]

My home club has a few holes like that and I absolutely hate it, especially on Par 5s. If the risk of carrying the water is too big it means everyone is laying up the teeshot at the same spot. It usually does't hurt myself, but from there senior players and especially female players have no shot at hitting the Green in Regulation which is terrible golf architecture in my opinion.

[Thomas Dai]

Not a feature that I particularly like, although an occasional change in wind direction away from the prevailing can bring this about sometimes.


Question - are older courses, designed when shots didn't go so far, more likely to suffer from second shots longer than tee shots?


Another question - do we know which hole at North Berwick Ross's comment was directed at or was it just a generalisation?


There's a Moe Norman story, not sure whether it's true or not. Apparently he was on the 18th tee of a tournament with a decent lead and asked his caddy what clubs he should hit on the hole. The caddy said driver and then 9-iron, so Moe hit a 9-iron off the tee followed by a driver onto the green! True tale or not?


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[Keith Phillips]

My memory likely fails me but in my single play at Pebble, I seem to recall the caddie on #8 instructing me to hit mid-iron off the tee, then long iron into the green.  That was 15 years ago and I don't recall what tees we played.  In any event the forced layup there certainly compels an heroic shot into the green.

[Doug Siebert]

I don't automatically hate the concept.  I think there is something to be said for forcing the player to hit a long iron into a green.

Forcing what player to hit a long iron into the green? If it forces a guy who drives it 290 to hit long iron, it is a 3W or unreachable for a guy who drives it 200. If it forces him hit a long iron, it is a short iron for the 290 guy. That's why I think this can only really work on a short hole, so a forced layup doesn't dictate a par 4 becomes a par 5 for shorter hitters.

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