The Story of the Discovery of the Pine Valley Property

[David_Elvins]

Perhaps you are thinking of the west course which was constructed in the Spring of 1913.

Most likely.  I am led to believe that Colt designed Merion West.

[MCirba]

. . . Colt may have advised on how best to incorporate some of the ideas from abroad that were Merion was hoping would be implemented over time.  

I always find it entertaining when Mike just makes shit up. He seems to give Colt more credit at Merion than he does CBM, which is more than a little ironic.

Or, they could have just talked about the weather and the wives?  Or perhaps David Elvins is correct that Colt stopped by to design Merion West that had been in planning for the past five months and was being constructed at the time?

After all, what did Robert Lesley know?

[DMoriarty]

Where exactly did Robert Lesley indicate that Harry Colt helped design Merion East? I know he credited and thanked Macdonald and Whigham (along with Wilson's Committee) in his 1914 Golf Illustrated article, but I don't recall him ever mentioning Colt's involvement.

[Gib_Papazian]

I vaguely recall a photo in the archives of Macdonald and Crump, with a map of the property - showing a lake and grove of trees the background.

Early records suggest the original boundary lines offered for purchase included Clementon Lake, now the home of Splash World amusement park.  

Not sure what that means or how conclusive - given the fact Harry Colt traveled through Ardmore on his way to Clementon, prior to construction of Merion.

It would seem that had Crump's acquisition of the original property been accepted, the intended location of the clubhouse would have been along the shores of Lake Clementon.

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I literally made up this twaddle off the top of my head, specifically to see how long it would take before an argument over Colt and Merion broke out. The only person who picked up on the joke was Tommy - it must have been the remark about PV clubhouse placement. ;-)

A vaguely recalled photo in the archives of Crump and Macdonald? OMG . . . . . . . and you guys beat on Phil Young. Harry Colt had a hand in Merion West? I've played enough Raynor and Colt to have a pretty good idea whose style shows up on the West Course, and it was not Colt.  

However, it also proved Tommy's assertion - opined last Saturday at Paco's Tacos - identifying a certain lurker, who immediately emailed me not five minutes after that post.    

  

[Bryan Izatt]

Gib,

I was pretty clear it was a hoax from the time of your first post yesterday, but thought I was losing my sanity as our resident crack researchers on both sides of the continent bit and started to chew. Another Foulpointe moment, and testament apparently to your credibility around here.


Now if only you hadn't perpetrated the fraud on my thread which started out more than three years ago with somewhat noble intentions to consolidate the stories/myths/legends of the discovery of Pine Valley.   


 

[MCirba]

Gib,

CBM and Whigham did visit Pine Valley and had some nice things to say.  I wouldn't be surprised by a pic so I'm not sure we're quite in Ian Scott-Taylor diary-land.    Colt visited Merion and if they didn't ask him his thoughts they'd be idiots and they weren't idiots, despite how they are sometimes portrayed here.  

[DMoriarty]

Gib,

I am so used to baseless nonsense being written about Merion, Pine Valley, Macdonald and Colt, that it didn't phase me in a bit. See Mike's desperate attempt to include Colt in the design of Merion East, for example.  He is correct though about CBM's visit to Pine Valley.  CBM even gave some suggestions but apparently only some of them were followed.  Also, I think they must have competed in the Lesley Cup, so a photo would not be out of the question.

As for emails from TEPaul, I probably got that one too, I am sure, but I try not to read them.   I've asked TEPual to quit emailing me time and time again, but he just can't help himself.  Pretty creepy if you ask me.