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Keith Doleshel

Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« on: February 20, 2015, 02:42:30 AM »
An article that I found interesting.  Geoff is one of the few touring professionals who seems to have a real appreciation for golf course architecture.

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/geoff-ogilvy-rivieras-10th-ideal-short-par-4-easy-par-fraught-danger-and-risk
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Keith Doleshel

Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 02:46:05 AM »
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 03:26:48 AM »
The magazine photo seems to suggest that there are 2 greens on the 10th at Riviera.

If so what % of the time is play allowed to the tournament green?

atb
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James Bennett

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 07:11:23 AM »
it was about 5 days a week many years ago. Not sure now.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 09:12:40 AM »
Quote from: James Bennett on February 20, 2015, 07:11:23 AM
it was about 5 days a week many years ago. Not sure now.

That was my experience a few years ago.  They would use the alternate green for outings (Mondays) and ladies' day (Wednesdays).

There are also alternate greens on #6 and #16, but I don't think they are used regularly, only in the lead-up to the tournament.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 09:42:29 AM »
I only saw a wee bit of the tournament yesterday.  On the 10th Dustin Gretzky Johnson I believe used 3 wood and ended up in the front of the right bunker.  He tried to hit a perfect bunker shot and did not carry it far enough and he stayed in that bunker, much farther up now almost pin high.  From there he hit his next shot a bit too long and into the another bunker!  Then with another daunting bunker shot facing him, he nearly holes it.  Nice tidy little bogey! Easy as pie.   ;)
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Jim Hoak

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 10:11:35 AM »
I have heard several times recently--and from different people--that Geoff Ogilvie is becoming recognized as the best emerging architect among current players.  What has he done--or is doing?  What do you know about his design skills and record?
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Tyler Kearns

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 10:24:38 AM »
Jim,

Geoff Ogilvy formed a partnership with Michael Clayton a few years ago (Ogilvy, Clayton, Cocking & Mead), so he is learning from a group of individuals who not only appreciate and understand golf architecture, but have a proven track record of building/renovating excellent golf courses.

TK
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Jim Hoak

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 10:36:06 AM »
What has he done/doing?  What is the feedback on those?
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Mike_Clayton

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 01:15:25 PM »
Jim

The biggest 3 jobs Geoff has been involved with so far have been the, at this point, half- completed redesigns at Sun City in Perth and Bonnie Doon in Sydney. We are just cleaning up the construction of the entire rebuilding of the front nine at Royal Canberra with the other 2 nines to follow.

I'm the wrong guy to ask but think so far they have been very successful jobs.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2015, 02:02:17 PM »
Quote from: Mike_Clayton on February 20, 2015, 01:15:25 PM
Jim

The biggest 3 jobs Geoff has been involved with so far have been the, at this point, half- completed redesigns at Sun City in Perth and Bonnie Doon in Sydney. We are just cleaning up the construction of the entire rebuilding of the front nine at Royal Canberra with the other 2 nines to follow.

I'm the wrong guy to ask but think so far they have been very successful jobs.

I believe that searching this website could give you info on the Bonnie Doon job.
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Jason Way

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2015, 07:02:27 PM »
Quote from: GJ Bailey on February 20, 2015, 02:02:17 PM

I believe that searching this website could give you info on the Bonnie Doon job.


I have a collection of videos re: the Bonnie Doon project on this page: tinyurl.com/GCAvideo.  Scroll down to the AUS/TAS section to view them. 

Not sure if Mike is at liberty to say, but is Geoff involved in the 7 Mile Beach project, or is that just Mat Goggin?
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Josh Stevens

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2015, 08:47:10 PM »
HAs he actually had much involvement on those projects?  He is still touring and living in the US, so I am not sure he can contribute much hands on to Australian projects.  Clearly as a US Open champion he is good to wheel out for marketing purposes. However he seems to be more than just a talking head, but I doubt he does much digging.
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James Bennett

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2015, 08:52:32 PM »
Hahahaha.  Doesn't do much digging!

I expect Clayton doesn't do much digging either.  Do we rule him out?  Did MacKenzie do much digging?  Better rule him out as well.

James B
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Scott Warren

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2015, 10:36:36 PM »
Josh,

Geoff came out to Bonnie Doon for a couple of walks of the site before the redesign started and had some suggestions that have become integral parts of a few holes, and has been back since to check up on the work (made easier by The Lakes and The Aussie hosting three Aussie Opens between them since then, so he's already over the road..).

The high/low fairway at 12 is one of the best features on the course and it came of Geoff identifying a natural flat spot on the LHS of the fairway and suggesting it be expanded to create a preferred position to play from if you lay back off the tee.

But no, he's not out there of a Tuesday digging irrigation trenches...
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2015, 05:17:07 AM »
Quote from: Scott Warren on February 21, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
Josh,

Geoff came out to Bonnie Doon for a couple of walks of the site before the redesign started and had some suggestions that have become integral parts of a few holes, and has been back since to check up on the work (made easier by The Lakes and The Aussie hosting three Aussie Opens between them since then, so he's already over the road..).

The high/low fairway at 12 is one of the best features on the course and it came of Geoff identifying a natural flat spot on the LHS of the fairway and suggesting it be expanded to create a preferred position to play from if you lay back off the tee.

But no, he's not out there of a Tuesday digging irrigation trenches...

Which is exactly the sort of thing you want from a consultant in that position. But it's important to remember that active touring professionals do not design golf courses. Golf course architects design golf courses.
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Adam Lawrence

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Mike_Young

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2015, 10:47:49 AM »
I do think Scott and Adam makes good points above.  Perhaps if the roles were reversed and then using Tom Doak since IMHO he is the most notorious of this site we could rewrite the post to say:  

Tom Doak on Geoff Ogilvie golf swing.

Tom came out to Bonnie Doon practice range for a few looks at Goeff's swing before he began working on the issues that had created problems over the past couple of years.   He had  had some suggestions regarding his grip that have become integral parts of Geoff's new swing, and has been back on the range since to check up and make sure the grip is still working.
The grip suggestion of Tom's  is one of the best features of Geoff's new swing and Geoff considered it a critical part of his new swing and him winning the Open.

It's about the same thing.  IMHO....not saying that tour players don't have great suggestions and some have better concepts of golf design than others but they are tour players and spend their time trying to win golf tournaments.  



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RJ_Daley

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2015, 02:28:24 PM »
Nice one Mike!  ;D
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Pat Burke

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2015, 02:31:26 AM »
Clayts,
I guess you don't count as a tour pro!! ;)
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Mike_Clayton

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2015, 06:46:44 PM »
Pat,

Guess not:)

Jason.

We are all in with Mat at Seven Mile Beach.I think we will work out a way to get it done. It's way too good a piece of land to have it lie idle, or worse, eventually get sand mined.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2015, 08:43:21 PM »
Quote from: Pat Burke on February 24, 2015, 02:31:26 AM
Clayts,
I guess you don't count as a tour pro!! ;)

There are always exceptions..... ;D ;D
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2015, 10:32:31 PM »
Quote from: Mike_Clayton on February 24, 2015, 06:46:44 PM
Pat,

Guess not:)

Jason.

We are all in with Mat at Seven Mile Beach.I think we will work out a way to get it done. It's way too good a piece of land to have it lie idle, or worse, eventually get sand mined.

Mike - I did think of you afterwards as an exception, but then you are not exactly playing a full schedule these days...
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Adam Lawrence

Editor, Golf Course Architecture
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Principal, Oxford Golf Consulting
www.oxfordgolfconsulting.com

Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2015, 11:05:08 PM »
Adam

I caddy in more events than I play these days - and think I just added the Women's Open at Turnberry.
Who ever thought?!
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Pete Lavallee

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Re: Geoff Ogilvie on Architecture
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2015, 05:51:52 PM »
Mike,

How did your loop fare in last week's Australian Open?
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