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Thomas Dai

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Use of shade and shadow in design
« on: December 11, 2014, 05:38:19 PM »
Gary has posted some interesting photos on a thread about Brunswick GC. Here are two which I hope he doesn't mind me copying across to aid understanding -




Putting in particular, but greenside shots in general, can be difficult/confusing when you're playing through or into speckled shade or shadow areas, not just caused by trees but also by banks or dunes or bunker lips or long whispy grass etc, around a green, and always allowing for the variable position of the sun during the day :)

Any examples of architects deliberately using shade and shadow in their design approach, not just on or around greens but also as a method of 'hiding' fairway hazards?

atb

Randy Thompson

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Re: Use of shade and shadow in design
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 06:17:10 PM »
Thomas,
I think in the past, they just happened without any real planning. Play any Robert Von Hagge course and you will see where that was always on his mind and also with his associates. He tried to implement as much as possible, thus a lot of mounding was always generated. Not sure anyone would really try to design a fairway hazard by using shawdows or shade to hide them, when for me anyways, basic good architecture starts with making your fairway hazard visible. Also with the intensity of the shade and shadows in the photo, it something thats gonna last in minutes, not hours.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Use of shade and shadow in design
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 07:30:08 PM »
Also, shade on greens for any significant portion of the day isn't really that conducive to growing grass.

As someone who used to take a lot of photos of golf courses, I'm very visually oriented as a designer, though I don't think I have ever manipulated a design feature to try and make it more shadowy.  What I do know is that the orientation of holes vs. sunrise and sunset has a lot of impact on how dramatic it will look to golfers [and in photos].  On an open site, holes playing north and south can get good shadows, but looking a bit into the sun is even better for shadow effect. 

On the other hand, with trees lining the fairways, holes playing north and south are just in the dark in the morning and afternoon when the light is best.  That's one reason I'm more likely to clear a lot of trees.  We chose to open up the center of the property at Medinah #1 partly for that reason -- there's more sunlight in the center of the property now, hence more visual drama.

Mark Pavy

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Re: Use of shade and shadow in design
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 07:53:16 PM »
I think some routings are planned better for the position of the sun, with the main consideration given to the finishing holes. I'm definitely not a fan of routings that have the finishing holes running directly towards a setting sun.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Use of shade and shadow in design
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 10:22:45 AM »
Von Hagge was very open that he loved creating shadows on his courses, but the prime mover on that was to create side views and sell real estate adjacent to the golf course.  And, he had it down to a real art. 

In the process, he would create many steep, nearly vertically banked fairway hazards that precluded nearly all hope of moving a shot forward.  And, of course, were tough to mow.  After real estate was sold, golf courses often reduced these features for cost reasons.

I recall playing the valley course at TPC some years ago. The grade level greens and pine tree shadows make them really disappear to golfers, at least in late afternoon when I played.  It actually made me consider elevating greens specifically to make them more visible whenever working in wooded areas.

Mark is right that we try to route for sun to minimize looking into it on starting and finishing holes.  Basically, a clubhouse anywhere from noon to 6PM on a site (if looking at it like a clock) sets it up pretty well, while clubhouses on the west side of most sites will give you problems.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jason Topp

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Re: Use of shade and shadow in design
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 11:17:26 AM »
George Thomas wrote about this quite a bit in his book.  I do not have it with me to give you any quotes or citations.