Pinehurst #2 1939 v 2013: an aerial comparison

[Mark Bourgeois]

http://golfcoursehistories.com/P2.html

[RJ_Daley]

They sure have more pine in their hurst nowadays!

[Jim Nugent]

Looks like they moved one of the greensites, to turn a straightaway hole into a dogleg right.  Also the playing corridors look a lot wider in 1939. 

[Mark Bourgeois]

Jim,

Which greensite?

Yes, loss of width, a problem on just about every classic course. What's interesting is how they've pinched in several fairways with apparently "new" (might have been there in 1943) waste areas such as on 11 and 12.

Also check out the playing corridor of 2. Fascinatingly appears to have run all the way out to OB left.

[Jim Nugent]

Mark, I don't know the course at all, so I will try to describe it to you.  A kind-of "top hat" sticks up to the top of the photo.  Ignore that, and go to what is otherwise the top left corner of the photo.  (The upper corner on the extreme left side of the photo.)  Then go down two inches, on about a 40 degree angle. 

Unless I'm misreading it, on the 1939 map a greensite is there.  It's the end of a straightaway hole.  On the 2013 map, that same hole doglegs to its right: the green is located 50 (?) yards or so up and to the left.  Looks like a huge check-shaped bunker is where the green used to be. 

[Mark Bourgeois]

Jim, possibly you are referring to the 1st on #4, I believe a Fazio palimsest over an original Ross.

[Jim Nugent]

That's the hole.  So it's not on #2? 

[Rich Goodale]

They sure have more pine in their hurst nowadays!

Uncle Dick

"Hurst" is an olde Englsih word for "woods."  It was an answer jsut yesterday to a clue in the (London) Times crossword.

Rich

[Mark Bourgeois]

That's the hole.  So it's not on #2? 

Nope. I suppose that's a restoration for another day! 

What does everyone think of the 1939 version of the 2nd hole (note to Rihc: not the 2nd to the 2nd but the 2nd on the 2nd) vs 2013? See any differences in tee shot strategeries?

[Patrick_Mucci]

Mark,

From a playing perspective, I don't think that there's much difference for the better golfer.

The bunkering short and to the left of the green wouldn't come into play today.

Visually, there's a difference, but, not practically.