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Joe Bausch

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Your thoughts on this green
« on: September 04, 2013, 08:00:58 PM »
(this thread in response to recent threads saying nothing new is discussed here; here is a chance for anyone and everyone to partake!)

This aerial is from 1931 (Dallin Collection) of a green from a less talked about Philly area course:



Might be a Robert White green.  Or Tilly.  Or homebuilt.

But I find this green to be pretty neat.  Do you like it?

FYI:  it is on a par 5.
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Bill Brightly

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2013, 08:19:25 PM »
Really cool! Oh, how I wish it was a Flynn! :)

Joe Bausch

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2013, 09:02:41 PM »
Really cool! Oh, how I wish it was a Flynn! :)

I thought you would call it Mr. Potato-head green. 

 ;)
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archie_struthers

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2013, 10:30:27 PM »
 ??? 8) ???

I'm not loving the wings on the back which appear to be mini containment mounds . For some reason it strikes me as something Donald Ross did, although the why eludes me !

ward peyronnin

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2013, 10:46:01 PM »
No it's Mickey mouse with a duble chin and I am saying grandpa Von Haage designed it.

Assume approach is from top of page. not sure i like hazards that hide things but in a one off sort of way i would like it i know; just not sure it would wear well
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Neil White

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2013, 03:56:48 AM »
Is that a centreline ridge running through the middle?


Joe Bausch

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2013, 04:12:32 AM »
Is that a centreline ridge running through the middle?


Yes.

Ward:  green is approached from top in picture.
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2013, 06:53:01 AM »
Its a bit odd, and shows the designer (or whoever was interpreting their plans, more than likely) had trouble thinking in 3D.

On the other hand, there are many modern examples of combo sand/grass bunkers, and maybe this was a forerunner, if somewhat crudely executed.
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 06:58:05 AM »
For me it is too symmetrical with really no difference if the pin is located on either side.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2013, 07:12:36 AM »
If approached from the top, the center ridge runs at an angle, not symmetrical.   It would be very difficult to hold a shot on the left side, as played (right side in view) since it would have to fall away from you somewhat.  If the pin was right, the ridge might kick you back or hold you in.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tom_Doak

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 07:28:48 AM »
Looks like the prototype for a frozen dinner tray to me, thirty years before they were invented!

Will Lozier

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 07:32:59 AM »
Really cool! Oh, how I wish it was a Flynn! :)

I thought you would call it Mr. Potato-head green. 

 ;)


Joe,

I swear...that is the first thing I thought of!!!!!!!

Yes, it does look interesting from the aerial but hard to tell how it played.  My second thought was of Pete Dye.

Cheers

Scott Sander

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2013, 07:59:40 AM »
Looks like the prototype for a frozen dinner tray to me, thirty years before they were invented!

Mmmm, Salisbury steak & cranberry compote. (Remove the foil from the dessert portion before baking)


There's something fascinating (to me) about old aerials of courses that have obsolete man-made features.
Here, it's the scale - everything is small, sharp-angled, and low.
I suspect that from the ground, it'd all look quaint, crude, and contrived.   And drainage...?  

But from the air, the image somehow gives a clearer path for the imagination to sketch man, beast and the implements of the time into the mental picture.  And that's cool.

The much-discussed and now re-made Garden City par 3 is another example.  Hope to see side-by-side aerials of the old and new-old versions of that.

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2013, 08:03:46 AM »
Guys: Frozen dinner tray - Mister Potato Head - do you realize that a large percentage of the guys on this board have no idea what you're talking about unless they've seen Toy Story or are old like me.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2013, 08:23:18 AM »
Guys: Frozen dinner tray - Mister Potato Head - do you realize that a large percentage of the guys on this board have no idea what you're talking about unless they've seen Toy Story or are old like me.

Sing along!

"I love you, you know it's true.  Mr. Potato-head...."
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Craig Disher

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2013, 08:31:42 AM »
It looks to me like the ridges at the back originally were the edges of larger bunkers that were shrunk to the size of the smaller ones in the photo.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2013, 09:46:41 AM »
Here's that green from eight years later (1938 Penn Pilot):

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Will Lozier

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2013, 09:49:45 AM »
Joe,

Can you reveal the course and hole?  And provide a current pic?

Cheers

Joe Bausch

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2013, 10:12:15 AM »
Will, this hole is the 7th at Northampton CC (Easton, PA).

Here are a couple of pictures of that green (on a par 5).

This first one from short of the green (it is clickable to get a larger view):



This from back left:



I wish I had taken one from back right.  Oh well!
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Will Lozier

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2013, 10:57:20 AM »
Joe,

Can you reveal the course and hole?  And provide a current pic?

Cheers

It looks relatively unchanged, at least from the back left?  Is the spine still there?

Joe Bausch

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2013, 10:59:21 AM »
Joe,

Can you reveal the course and hole?  And provide a current pic?

Cheers

It looks relatively unchanged, at least from the back left?  Is the spine still there?

It does look relatively unchanged to my eyes.  Both sides really.

I think the spine is somewhat subtle and didn't come out prominently in the photos.
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Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2013, 01:59:55 PM »
It appears that you do approach it at an angle which takes some of the symmetry issues out but if the green is firm and the hole is on the left side of the spine you most likely will wind up in that really thick rough having to take a big swing to get the ball a small distance.

Mark McKeever

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Re: Your thoughts on this green
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2013, 04:18:09 PM »
Looks like the left side of the green has shrunken down a bit.  Nothing a mower can't handle.   ;D

MM
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