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John Kirk

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Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2007, 10:35:24 AM »

I noticed 8 and 9 played tougher today than previous days.  I'll assume the wind was blowing in their face and they probably used the new back tee on #9.

I'm sure a minor adjustment in the pin placement on #8 could account for a big change in scoring average.  That is a sloped green.

Although Bob Huntley pooh-poohed the course difficulty, I say a 74.4 average against division I college kids is a good showing.  It's tough enough.

How about GC starting 3 under through 5?  Very tough opening stretch.  Holes 6-9 are pretty easy after that.  If you can get through the first 5 holes well, you should be able to post a pretty good score.  Did you?

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2007, 11:40:17 AM »

I noticed 8 and 9 played tougher today than previous days.  I'll assume the wind was blowing in their face and they probably used the new back tee on #9.

I'm sure a minor adjustment in the pin placement on #8 could account for a big change in scoring average.  That is a sloped green.

Although Bob Huntley pooh-poohed the course difficulty, I say a 74.4 average against division I college kids is a good showing.  It's tough enough.

How about GC starting 3 under through 5?  Very tough opening stretch.  Holes 6-9 are pretty easy after that.  If you can get through the first 5 holes well, you should be able to post a pretty good score.  Did you?

John,

I am afraid that my tongue in cheek remark didn't come across as I intended. I think Pasa can indeed be a very difficult course on which to post a low score, be it for a high or low/no handicapper.

Bob

John Kirk

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Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2007, 01:58:09 PM »
Bob,

That's nice of you to say, but I have to question my ability to interpret your intent.

johnk

Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2007, 11:09:18 PM »
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the HARDEST hole on the course, for us and the college kids:  #3 with a 3.62 scoring average.

Of course, that's not news to anyone.  

Neither is "3 under after 5" at Pasa.  I've been 1 under, 2 under etc. several times!  #6 usually starts the descent into badness.

And since Huckster slips in a mention of his low 71(!), I'm gonna add my own bragging Pasa memory: the day I birdied #3 and parred the other 4 par 3s, to shoot 78 from da blues.  That tee shot on 18 had a LOT of pressure... :)

Of course, the exact number of times I couldn't break 90 from either set of tees escapes me right now...

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2007, 09:48:18 AM »
JK:

I was indeed remiss in not commenting on the high scores on #3.  Of course it's not news - it is a very tough hole - but it is somehow comforting that it's tough even for those college boys.  That is, their 7irons 210 uphill did just as bad as my 3wood.   ;D

As for my 71, well... it was just meant to show that the course CAN be had.  But I also share your visits to the 90s room there, good lord I do.  In fact I'd say without a doubt I've had more rounds in the 90s there than the 70s.  Good score for me at Pasa remains low 80s.  It does rather kick my butt sideways.




Bryce Mueller

Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2007, 05:11:48 PM »
Tom,
great questions. I am an avg hitter in length (can carry it about 285-290 when i need to, but generally only carry it 275). I give you my carry distance because that week, the course was wet enough that basically thats how far we hit it.

As for your questions, I played my golf as a kid out of an old donald ross in durham nc (hope valley country club), and so I think i play more angled golf than most my age. I check pin locations on each green before I tee off to get an idea of where I want to be, and pasatiempo is the kind of course where that kind of thinking pays off. I shot 73-71 to finish around 10th last year, and my 71 was partly in a huge storm that rose the scores exponentially. As for the 2nd hole, i generally bombed driver off 1 and 2 not worrying about angles, so that i could get a 9 iron or so into the green. Two actually plays really long from across the road, and is a great hole. I bombed driver off 6, but actually hit it ob in the 2nd rd there off the tee, when i hit the cartpath etc etc. I think 7 is a great risk-reward hole for college kids, i chose to hit 3 wood, and then a wedge.  One of my teammates hit driver, and the other 3 hit an iron of some kind... 8 is a great par three, and the pin locations there were BRUTAL last year, the slope of that green makes certain 3 ft putts terrifying, i remember having one last year where i knew i was either gonna make it, or have a 20 ft putt coming back... The rough was nasty on 9 last year, making it a great penalty to go right on ur second shot there. 10, 11 and 12 tested my mental game as much as any stretch of holes i can remember. 10 can be a driver for us, but the fairway was so soft that generally that meant we had a severe downhill lie with a 7 or 8 iron. if we hit 3 wood, it was a 5 iron, but off a flat lie... great decisions there. same with 11 because we could hit 3 wood and really challenge the baranca or hit an iron and have a 5 or 6 iron in... and 12 could be a 3 wood and flip wedge, or a iron and pw or so, i chose to go with the latter... 16 is the toughest hole i played in college golf last year, that tee shot isn't fun (3 wood for most of us) and then the 6 iron or so to the green scares the hell out of u. i saw a really really good player make a 9 there and shoot 75 in the first rd, and i made birdie to the back right pin there in the final rd that still remains my favorite birdie ever...

what a tremendous golf course, and a great opportunity for those of us who get to play a tournament there. Its such a great golf course, and an  even better learning experience, especially considering how different pasa is from most courses we play...

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2007, 05:20:20 PM »
Hi Bryce:

Many thanks for taking the time to do that - it is VERY instructional for me for sure.  I like to try and get a handle on how you young/great players play... it's fun to see if a quirky old course like Pasa can hold up it's head against your skill and power...and it's gratifying that from the sound of it, it does.  Oh sure you guys can fire some great low scores there, but that happens basically anywhere you play.  What makes me smile is you DO need to consider shot choices (as you described) rather than just bomb and gouge.  It REALLY makes me smile that you consider this fun and a good thing... I'm guessing yours was a minority opinion among your peers, but I don't want to cast too many aspersions.

BTW I've seen the new back tee on 2 - in fact took a picture of it and posted it here - but haven't played from there yet.  I would imagine that tee is required to make that hole challenging for you guys.  But notice how I have to play the hole even from the other side of the road?  Oh, I am at least familiar with your game, but it's still pretty different.  Promise yourself never to get old.

 ;D ;D

TH

ps - many congrats on your success at Pasa - and oh yes, ANYTHING can happen on 16.  I witnessed Tiger make a 7 from 75 yards out once.  Birdie there is gonna gain at least one on the field.  Great comments re all the other holes also.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2007, 05:22:17 PM by Tom Huckaby »

Marty Bonnar

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Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2007, 05:33:04 PM »
I played it the weekend before this tournament Bryce played inlast year and it was very, very wet due to all the rain the area  received.  I wonder how wet it was this year?..

It was pretty bloody wet last year!



Major kudos to that manliest of manly men, our own good doctor, the man of redan, for he, and only he, braved these conditions for all 18 holes.
Admittedly, he had a damn good reason to, and it was the least we could do for me and Getka to perform as mobile towellers, caddies, occasional walking companions and cheerleaders...!

FBD.
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Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Bryce Mueller

Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2007, 06:05:10 PM »
Tom,
yeah, that tee on #2 is BRUTAL! I think its interesting that you try and use the mounding on the right side of #2, presumably because you are looking for the distance and are a straight driver. On a hole like that, with such a demanding green, I am not greedy enough to aim for the mounds because I just wanna be in the short grass haha. If you are able to aim at those mounds, clearly you have the kind of driving game that i envy!!!! Same goes for the 14th per se, where i don't try and stay out of the "rut" in the middle of the fairway, i just try and hit the fairway because I don't claim to have the accuracy to aim down the right... As for getting old, I'm looking forward to having the wisdom to put the cover back on my 3 wood from 265 out on par 5s when its smarter to lay up, I think its gonna help my scoring average big time!!

Unfortunately you are probably right that I am the minority. Some of it stems from the fact that I never have had any real interest in playing golf for a living, so I look at our tournaments differently, more as a great opportunity to test myself, rather than just a chance to win and gain all american status, etc etc etc...

I will say this though, most of our team LOVED playing that kind of golf, and a majority of my teammates would rather play tournaments where individual shots are rewarded, rather than 66's... (does that make sense?). I would love the opportunity to play more courses like this, and my team is the same. We won at Olympia Fields this fall, which is another classic design that tested mental fortitude. I wish there were more opportunities during the year for our team to play such courses...
« Last Edit: March 23, 2007, 06:08:14 PM by Bryce Mueller »

Tom Huckaby

Re:Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2007, 06:21:10 PM »
Bryce:

Well, I said I TRY to hit those right side mounds on 2 - I didn't say I always succeed.   ;D  The point is that if I don't try, I end up too far back.  As you know that green rewards a lofted approach - you want to get down there far enough to allow for such.  For someone for whom 260 off the tee is a huge hit (me), well hopefully you can understand how I need those mounds.  And if I ever play the back back tee across the road, I don't think I could reach the mounds... but I'd really have to try.

14 is a great example also.  Man one does NOT want to end up down in the (virgin Connie) swale, but it's damn hard to get it over to the right side to miss that as you say, so in the end it is kinda just hit and hope.  I find that to be a maddening hole, and a great one.

And I gotcha re the attitude of your team-mates and other college golfers.  That makes sense.  Hell in your world you're rewarded for scores, not for discerning architectural greatness.  And scores tend to be more "fairly" rewarded at courses other than Pasa.  Thus I get the sentiment.  I just have a feeling guys like you are gonna have more FUN with the game over the long haul.  Keep up the great work.

 ;D

Mike Benham

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2009, 11:27:29 PM »
The 2009 version of the Western Intercollegiate is in a few days (beginning March 29th). 

Conditions have been dry the past few weeks, the weather is warming up and again we will see how one of Dr. Macs gems will hold to the collegians.


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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2009, 10:35:07 PM »
Only two universities in the top 40 (or 50) participated. University of Oregon won at +25. Diego Velasquez (Oregon State) was top individual at Even. Two hole in ones on #15 (141 yds) and one on #8.
Stats link: http://www.golfstatresults.com//public/stats/static/index_1467.html

Bill_McBride

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2009, 10:36:59 PM »
Only two universities in the top 40 (or 50) participated. University of Oregon won at +25. Diego Velasquez (Oregon State) was top individual at Even. Two hole in ones on #15 (141 yds) and one on #8.
Stats link: http://www.golfstatresults.com//public/stats/static/index_1467.html

Do you think the top schools feared the Pasa?

David_Elvins

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2009, 11:03:54 PM »
Only two universities in the top 40 (or 50) participated. University of Oregon won at +25. Diego Velasquez (Oregon State) was top individual at Even. Two hole in ones on #15 (141 yds) and one on #8.
Stats link: http://www.golfstatresults.com//public/stats/static/index_1467.html

Wow.  in the second round the 3rd hole had a scoring average of 4.4.  That is some pin position.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2009, 11:14:52 PM »
Bill,
  College golf scheduling is weird. A lot depends on the host school. The level of competition, and your win/loss record in it affects your chances of qualifying for post season. Weather plays a factor.
Most of the top west/midwest schools were playing at U of Texas.
  Last week the schools were at Eugene CC, similar field and the weather was brutal for the double round. Heard comments like "now I know why we haven't been here for six years".
« Last Edit: April 02, 2009, 12:06:11 AM by Pete_Pittock »

Adam Clayman

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2013, 08:34:27 PM »
GW's Lance Ringler puts together a nice video piece, for this year's WI, with plenty of goods looks at the GC.

http://golfweek.com/videos/2013/apr/18/1436/?Category=videos/
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2013, 09:42:20 PM »
Go Bears!

And their #1 player was playing at Augusta. 

Garland Bayley

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2013, 12:12:07 PM »
Go Bears!

And their #1 player was playing at Augusta. 

Yeah, but didn't he just get killed by a 14 year old kid?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Bill_McBride

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2013, 02:56:19 PM »
Go Bears!

And their #1 player was playing at Augusta. 

Yeah, but didn't he just get killed by a 14 year old kid?


So did a number of top professionals. 

Garland Bayley

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2013, 08:33:06 PM »
Go Bears!

And their #1 player was playing at Augusta. 

Yeah, but didn't he just get killed by a 14 year old kid?


So did a number of top professionals. 

So who was that guy that won anyway? I understand that before he started anchoring his putter, he was even beaten by a girl!
Must not be much of a tooonament if it is won by someone using a crutch to putt since he can't even beat the girls putting normally.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Stephen Davis

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2013, 12:56:13 PM »
I was fortunate enough to have had my sunday flight from San Fran to Colorado cancelled with no hope of getting back home until late the next day. So I rented a car and first thing the next morning I was off to Pasatiempo. It was the day after the Western Collegiate and the course was in phenomenal shape! It was my first experience there and it could not have been better. The day was beautiful with a stiff breeze and the fairways were firm as were the greens. It was a wonderful day to be alive and playing golf at an incredible course.

Paul Perrella

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Re: Pasatiempo - Western Intercollegiate
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2013, 07:54:57 PM »
To All,

   I just got back from the West coast and actually played Pasatiempo on the Sunday of the Western Intercollegiate. I must say that I was very impressed with the low scoring as there were many scores in the 60's. I also have to say there were very difficult pin placements that day which made our single digit group go quite a bit higher. The course was in really nice shape and it was a beautiful day which also probably helped the low scoring.