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Dunlop_White

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Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« on: December 16, 2009, 12:26:25 AM »
It's no secret that many clubs are struggling in this economy. Creative measures often help the balance sheet, but has anyone ever heard of this one? I understand that a nearby club has embarked on a tree removal project where vast areas of trees have been cleared for timber funds.  Ingenious if done under the correct supervision. Good for the turf, good for the views, and now good for the bottom line. The club is responsible for the clean-up, which eats into about 25% of the profits. New one on me! (I always thought the wood wasn't worth what it would cost them to haul it away).

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Mike McGuire

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Re: Profiting($$) on Tree Removal
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 12:48:34 AM »

Our club did this 15 or 20 years ago and netted 35K.

You could also buy a big wood furnace and heat the maintenance building.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 07:54:36 AM »
Dunlop,
A stand of older (1 1/2'+ dia.), closely grown trees of specific varieties (Black Walnut, etc.), can be worth substantial amounts of money to a producer of veneers. 
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Josh Smith

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 09:37:47 AM »
Great subject.  Good for golf architecture, good for turf, possibly good for the pocketbook or break even.

I know the Cal Club contracted out removal of reportedly somewhere north of 4,000 mature trees before I was here in the 80's under Roger Robarge.  A similar deal to what you are talking about, the club may have profited a little, but surely this was at no cost to the club.  I understand what spurred the move was (liability) a serious tree accident or two at Olympic, where less than healthy mature trees were the culprits.

Have not heard of any such deals lately.  Maybe today you would need to plant 2 for every 1 you removed within 2 years.  I know that was our stipulation during the most recent tree removal.


Josh




K. Krahenbuhl

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 09:48:55 AM »
I would think it would depend heavily on what type of tree was being removed as to whether or not you could profit or break even.

Jud_T

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 10:43:41 AM »
I love it!  This is the best win/win thing I've read on here in quite a while.... :)
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 10:53:15 AM »
After Hurricane Ivan knocked down over 3,000 pine trees at Pensacola CC in September 2004, we netted over $40,000 from lumber sales.  That really helped since no golf course repair was paid for by property insurance.

Dunlop_White

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2009, 12:11:46 AM »
$40,000 is what I'm hearing also before clean-up costs. They say you can stand on the 13th tee now and see the entire course. While its not treeless, this type of view was not available before. Perhaps in the old days, but this was not restoration inspired.

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2009, 06:20:48 AM »
I may be wrong but I think Paraparaumu Beach in New Zealand made a decent chunk of money a few years ago selling a plantation of pines in the middle of the course.

Rick Shefchik

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2009, 11:14:55 AM »
Our club (Stillwater Country Club in Minnesota) has cut down 50 or more trees (mostly ash) during the last three offseasons. They split the wood and leave it at the maintenance building for the members to take as firewood.

Maybe Hillerich & Bradsby would be interested in turning the wood into Louisville Sluggers, but I'd just as soon burn the stuff myself. Good for the course, and good for my heating bill.
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Jeremy Rudock

Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2009, 02:32:01 PM »
Greetings everyone.  Long time lurker, first time poster here.  You all can thank Lynn Shackelford for luring me here and getting me hooked on Golf Course Architecture.

As a member at the club in question, Pinebrook CC, I saw this topic and couldn't help but make my inaugural post about our club.

The story of the tree removal is correct.  Roughly 3 months ago we contracted a logging company to come on site and remove as many of the interior hardwoods as they could without damaging the course.

The visual change to the course is dramatic.  As Dunlop mentioned, there are exposed sight lines that probably haven't existed since the club was founded in 1954.  The front nine sits in a a relatively flat plain, while the back nine meanders through hills and dense forest.  Most of the tree removal occured on the back nine and the result is that you can now see much of the front nine from holes 10, 11, 13, and 14 on the back nine.  You can now stand on the 13th green and see every green on the front nine except #2.  Before the removal you could stand on 13 green and see roughly 1000 hardwood trees in your way if you glanced towards the front nine.

The financial benefit is obvious.  Many clubs are struggling at this time, and here we found a way to generate much needed cash.  The amount is expected to be significantly higher than the 40k mentioned earlier. 

The tangential benefits are what really have some of the members excited.  The improved vistas make the course more scenic, rather than being trapped between chutes of trees.  The playability of the course will improve as recovery shots from the trees are now possible.  Turf conditions will improve with increased airflow.  Our super, who does a fantastic job on a shoestring budget will realize better turf conditions without having to increase maintenance costs.

A couple of the areas where we allowed the heavy equipment will need to be replaced, but through some amazing coincidence, those areas happen to be obvious candidates for new teeboxes anyway.

The obvious downside is the mess that is left behind.  As winter has closed in on us, we can no longer allow the heavy equipment on the course without doing considerable damage.  Hopefully in the springtime, we will start to clean things up a bit more.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.  I hate that the reason we had to embark on this was out of financial necessity and not because the membership decided we wanted to renovate the course.  That the course will improve from this was an unintended consequence. 

Pinebrook is a gem of a club that has seen tough times in recent years.  However, due to this project and the efforts of a large group of our younger members we've picked up almost 60 new members in the last 3 months at a time when our club (and other clubs) typically has membership attrition.  There is serious momentum around the club right now and a growing sense of excitement that not only are we going to come out of these tough times intact, but we will thrive!

I will do my best to get some before and after pictures up on this site sometime soon.  For those of you interesting in learning more about Pinebrook, we have a website: http://www.pinebrookcc.com/

I've also got a few hundred pics of a recent trip to NewportCC that I would like to post here.

David_Tepper

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2009, 03:10:50 PM »
There is one very prominent investment firm that believes that investing in commercial timberland is one of the best long-term investment options available.

I know of one SF Bay Area course that has a grove of very mature redwood trees that I am sure could be harvested at a sizable profit for the club. Thinning out that grove would likely improve the condition of turf on the surrounding holes as well. I doubt it will happen any time soon.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2009, 04:35:21 PM »
Tualatin CC in Oregon is built through a stand of very mature douglas fir, predominantly on the front nine. They did a subtsantial thinning to improve circulation and allow winter sunlight at a nice profit. It wasn't as big as it could have been because of stump removal. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2009, 07:13:22 PM »
Having vi$ion$ thinking of $ahalee!!   ;D

PCCraig

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 03:08:04 PM »
I understand that a nearby club has embarked on a tree removal project where vast areas of trees have been cleared for timber funds.

Can anyone define "vast areas" in the context of the above quote?

Just how many trees would you have to sacrifice in order for someone to pay you to do the work for you?
H.P.S.

Carl Johnson

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 05:30:26 PM »
Greetings everyone.  Long time lurker, first time poster here.  You all can thank Lynn Shackelford for luring me here and getting me hooked on Golf Course Architecture.

As a member at the club in question, Pinebrook CC, I saw this topic and couldn't help but make my inaugural post about our club. . . .


Jeremy - I took a look at what would appear to be a pre-deforesting view of the course on Google's satelite view.  It looks to me like the views from some of the homes around the outside of course may have been affected.  If so, did you get any feedback, positive or negative, from homeowners who weren't also club members?

Just curious.

Carl

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2012, 06:28:51 PM »

I know of one SF Bay Area course that has a grove of very mature redwood trees that I am sure could be harvested at a sizable profit for the club. Thinning out that grove would likely improve the condition of turf on the surrounding holes as well. I doubt it will happen any time soon.

Dave is correct.  Here in California several clubs have harvested redwood trees for fairly large sums of money.   I've heard in excess of $100k at several clubs.

David Davis

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 12:46:28 PM »
Kalen,

Visiting Sahalee tomorrow for the first time, have been asked for my feedback so I'm excited to play/see it.

I'll report back, anyone know the number of a good logging contractor in the Seattle area? (Don't answer that's rhetorical) Must attempt to not to have my mind made up before I walk in the door. But thanks for tainting me nonetheless...
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Mike_Trenham

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Re: Profiting($$) from Tree Removal
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2012, 09:09:11 PM »
In college I worked at a new club Oak Hills in Columbia SC, that had its construction budget destroyed when hurricane Hugo turned tree removal from a profit item to an expense.
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