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Peter Pallotta

Rich - you've played a lot of golf in a lot of places over a lot of years, and I'm guessing you've heard about or experienced more than a few storms or rumours of storms. What's your take on this - sound and fury signifying nothing? or a 'never, never, never, never, never' (to mix references) kind of change?

Thanks
Peter

Mark Chaplin

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Whilst many people many associate bone dry bump and run as GB&I links golf our weather patterns over the last decade have pretty much prevented such conditions across the board apart from the odd area that's missed the rain. Only 2006 produced such conditions across the two countries.

For us sustainability is about using less water and cutting out chemicals. We've actually increased the greenkeeping staff by two to nine which is on the high side for a UK links course, so sustainability isn't about cost savings. The extra two members of staff will assist in presenting the course at it's best. We want a good consistent playing surface of natural - free from disease - grasses in whatever variation of green or straw the weather conditions permit.
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Rich Goodale

Rich - you've played a lot of golf in a lot of places over a lot of years, and I'm guessing you've heard about or experienced more than a few storms or rumours of storms. What's your take on this - sound and fury signifying nothing? or a 'never, never, never, never, never' (to mix references) kind of change?

Thanks
Peter

Yes, Peter, I'm old, but not that old!

My parents, on the other hand grew up during the Great Depression and it (and WWII) indelibly defined their personalities.  40 years after the end of the war my mother was still religiously saving aluminum foil.  When she died we found enough in her cupboards to build a small fighter plane.  I hope my children will not be so affected, but given the cluelessness of the "leaders" of the free world, I am not so sure....

If we're talking financial storms, I think that all golf courses will be impacted and it is inevitable that many will close and those which do not will have to operate on more limited and transparent budgets.  As Pat M. said above, I think that the cash hemmoraging "country club" frills will be the first to go, and getting back to the topic of the thread next will be "Augusta syndrome" maintenance practices.  If we are lucky, maybe the essence of what makes the game of golf so special will be rediscovered at places where it has been lost.

As for links courses, they will survive longer than any others, including the wannabie links in places like the midwestern US and even the heathlands around London.  Why?  Water.  Try the following though experiment:  what if a neutron bomb-type weapon which killed only people and not any other species was developed and used?  What would be the effect on golf courses (as if we would care)?  Well......

.....all courses in the Southwest, including Southern California would revert to desert.  Most of those in the Southeast would revert to swampland.  All courses in temperate climates would become impenetrable forests, except, of course, those built on linksland, which would revert to itself and would probably look like a golf course even 5,000 years later when dsicovered by some alien life forms or even 1,000,000 years after that when human might have finally evolved again from the apes.  Assuming that it would be another several hundred thousand years before greenkeepers, D-9s, fertilizers and irrigation system were re-invented, the only golf that could be played would be in those very same places where it first arose--St. Andrews, Leith, Montrose, Dornoch, North Berwick, etc., etc.  It would probably take another 2,000 years before the re-inventions of the golf course architect and the collateralized debt obligation would allow us to get back to that Golden Age which was July 2008.

IMHO

Rich

Mark Pearce

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As a regular visitor to Elie I have to say that I had never noticed the black earth until you pointed it out on Tuesday morning.  I was, of course, far too focussed on the grudge match at hand to give it further thought at the time.  I was struck, however, by how much less firm and fast Elie was in June than I am used to in August.  The sight of the UCal girls spinning the ball back on the 6th green was not one you'd have seen in August or September, I'm sure.

I was at Elie the week following Easter.  It was in superb condition and as fast and firm as I have ever seen it.  There was a Junior Open competition being played that week with several very good juniors, including members of the Scotland squad.  The approach to the 6th green (which, for those unfamiliar with the course slopes away from the player, with the fairway doing the same for the last 80 or so yards) was completely different to what we encountered during BUDA.  Whereas that girl from UCal was able to spin the ball back up the hill, at Easter the best approach I saw played landed perhaps 50 yards short of the green, nearly stopped 30 yards short and then trickled (ran would not be a proper description) down the hill, onto the green before finally stopping 4 or 5 feet from the hole.  Anything landed within 10 yards of the green was going to be at least 10 yards through the back
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Mark Pearce

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Much has changed since this thread (not least that I'm now a member at Elie).  I'm pleased to report that the club has recognised that there was a danger of losing its links character and has put in place steps to recover the situation.  They have also cut the rough that had grown around some of the fairway bunkers, in an attempt to bring back the original challenge of these bunkers.  It has obviously been a very trying summer in the UK for any course attempting to encourage fast and firm conditions and fescue grasses but hopefully things are moving in the right direction at Elie, at least.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Rich Goodale

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Great to hear that about Elie, Mark.  You are dead right that this has been trying times in Scotland for those greenkeepeers who are comitted to natural and firm and fast, as the two have been oxymoronic this year, as "natural" means lush and thick when the heavens open up and do not shut until who knows!  Dornoch is just barely linksy this year (I was up a few weeks ago), with rough that could turn Casnasty1999-like any day and greens that putted (in a relative sense) like my shag carpet.  Thank The Singularity that we are all effectively immortal (conservation of matter and aw' that), and will eventually see Elie and Dornoch playing as Profesor Higgs intended them to play.

See you in Silloth

Rich
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Any afterlife is unlikely and/or dodgy.

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Niall C

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Rich

Re the greens at Dornoch, let me say Morays aren't much better indeed I played a couple of modest inland courses recently which are better. Hopefully a late summer will work wonders.

Niall

Rich Goodale

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Yes, Niall, we all live in hope up here in Scotchland, but I for one am glad that I spent last week in France rather than in Fife.....
Life is good.

Any afterlife is unlikely and/or dodgy.

Jean-Paul Parodi

Sean_A

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After making some great gains in tearing down rough these past few years, Burnham is brutal right now.  The fairways aren't wide at the best of times and it seems as though some are being narrowed.  Add in wrist breaker rough with wind blowing over 10mph from any direction and there is a lot of neck burning going on.  I don't know if I have seen the course so harsh as Sunday and this was after Saturday's deluge. Thankfully, the greens still rolled quite well if a bit slow.  I never saw guys so eager to play women's and senior tees!  We probably played a 6000 yarder and it was still unbelievably hard and not much fun. 

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