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Joe Bausch

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"Put Thunder on the Left Says Dean of Golf Architects".  An article from 1928.

Did Tilly practice what he preached?

Do modern architects follow this at all?

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Mark Saltzman

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Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 11:01:44 PM »
Thanks Joe, very interesting.

Were there no lefty duffers in the 1920s?

Did Robert Trent Jones write this article?

If Rees Jones said The Old Course was antiquated, what would be the GCA.com reaction?

John Shimony

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Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2012, 03:22:36 PM »
Great article, Joe.  No matter how many old articles I read it still amazes me how little the game has changed.
John Shimony
Philadelphia, PA

TEPaul

Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2012, 05:48:29 PM »
Joe:

That is a fascinating article and I've never seen it before. But it looks like George Trevor was an ignorant slut-meister or Tillie was lying again as Tillie did not design golf courses in the 'pink jacketed ninties.' I also love that remark of Tillinghast's about those snobbish Anglophies paying some kind of homage to confreres from abroad. Apparently, at that point, Tillie must have turned full bore against that genteel American WASP world he came from in his campaign to trash the opinions of UK architectural comment and philosophy. A wonderful American jingoist that Albert W. appears to have been!

I think 1928 is also getting close to that time when Tillie sold out his architectural principles to the PGA and removed bunkers all over America. This was a fact that that expert researcher/writer Tom MacWood explained to us about Tillinghast some many years ago on here.  ??? ;)

You know, A.W. Tillinghast really was the best. Who even came remotely close to him for his marvelous and highly varied and entertaining writing that was so prolific and for so long? He really was one of the truly great characters of golf architecture history!!
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TEPaul

Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2012, 06:19:32 PM »
God Almighty, I love his last line! 'The smugly supercilious attitude of British golf architects.....'

Indeed, Albert!

Garland Bayley

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Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2012, 06:21:57 PM »
Any article advocating a one-sided strategy such as putting the bunkers on the left is not a very good read IMO.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Tom MacWood

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Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2012, 06:52:29 AM »
Trevor published a similar article for Golf Illustrated. It highlights what was going on in golf architecture, and golf, at the time. American golfers were dominating the competitions, and there was general belief in Britain (and elsewhere) that our more testing, more severe architecture was producing better golfers. I wrote an essay about this American-British debate as a counterpoint to Bob Cosby's Behr essay, but unfortunately it never saw the light of day. That was the last essay I wrote. 

TEPaul

Re: "Trapping the Crack Golfer": Tilly speaks (a very good read, IMO)
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2012, 03:05:41 PM »
"Trevor published a similar article for Golf Illustrated. It highlights what was going on in golf architecture, and golf, at the time. American golfers were dominating the competitions, and there was general belief in Britain (and elsewhere) that our more testing, more severe architecture was producing better golfers. I wrote an essay about this American-British debate as a counterpoint to Bob Cosby's Behr essay, but unfortunately it never saw the light of day. That was the last essay I wrote."


Tom MacWood:

I remember that well, as it was discussed on a number of threads on here back then, and I was on them. And I remember you trying to counterpoint Bob Crosby's essay that most certainly mentioned Max Behr and his writing prominently. However, Crosby's essay was not about Behr, it was about Joshua Crane and particularly the debate primarily Max Behr and Alister Mackenzie had with him back then about various things Crane had been proposing in print and otherwise, and a number of fascinating things Behr and Mackenzie proposed to counterpoint or counteract what Crane was proposing.

And I remember you saying you wrote an essay counterpointing Crosby's essay and that Morrissett did not accept it as he apparently didn't think it particularly appropriate for various reasons.

I suppose one good reason he didn't think it appropriate is that judging from those threads that lead to you attempting to write that essay that was never accepted, you were basically trying to discuss something and counterpoint something that Crosby basically didn't even write about even though you kept claiming he had.    
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