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Ronald Montesano

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Horizontal, Vertical or Straight Ahead?
« on: February 19, 2012, 08:39:36 AM »
Many are the times I've listened to a US football game on the radio and heard the announcers mutter "moving left to right" or vice-versa. I think of a US Football pitch as a purely horizontal experience, what I consider to be the fan perspective. I'm guessing that for the combatants, it's not like that at all. In contrast, I would rather consider a golf hole in a vertical manner, ideally from bottom to top. It fits my eye better that way. The recent thread on "Heaven or Hell?" got my thinking started when I looked at the trophy photo of the Flower Hole and could not grasp its nature. I then realized it was the horizontal nature that didn't resonate with me.

Is this helpful, worth discussing, or complete blather? Typing out loud in a stream of consciousness way here. Next?
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Carl Johnson

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Re: Horizontal, Vertical or Straight Ahead?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2012, 02:18:49 PM »
Deacon, will you help me out by distinguishing between the vertical and straight ahead perspectives, as you define them, of a golf hole?

Carl
« Last Edit: February 19, 2012, 02:21:02 PM by Carl Johnson »

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Horizontal, Vertical or Straight Ahead?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 04:12:14 PM »
Good question!

The vertical would be an overhead view, with tee at bottom and green at top. The straight ahead would be a ground-level, hole in front of you, perspective. Not very different, but something I consider. I like to see it all and the overhead vertical does it for me better than the overhead horizontal.
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Carl Johnson

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Re: Horizontal, Vertical or Straight Ahead?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 11:22:59 AM »
Many are the times I've listened to a US football game on the radio and heard the announcers mutter "moving left to right" or vice-versa. I think of a US Football pitch as a purely horizontal experience, what I consider to be the fan perspective. I'm guessing that for the combatants, it's not like that at all. In contrast, I would rather consider a golf hole in a vertical manner, ideally from bottom to top. It fits my eye better that way. The recent thread on "Heaven or Hell?" got my thinking started when I looked at the trophy photo of the Flower Hole and could not grasp its nature. I then realized it was the horizontal nature that didn't resonate with me.

Is this helpful, worth discussing, or complete blather? Typing out loud in a stream of consciousness way here. Next?

I think it's worth discussing.

First, when I look at the Flower Hole [http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=6fbdcaf72fd98dfd14b07f4e1f3d9d3c&topic=51153.0] I believe I am looking at what you would call a straight ahead view of a par three, from the tee, taken with a telephoto lens to collapse the distance somewhat.  Maybe we are looking at different pictures, or maybe I still don't understand your perspectives, or whatever.

In any case, when I actually look at a golf hole in my mind, I believe I normally see it the way I would see it as a player, straight ahead.  Architectural drawings, diagrams of the hole on the scorecard, photos in magazine ads, take what I would call the overhead vertical (botton to top) view, which I take for what they are worth.  However, in my mind I visualize holes from my perspective as a player.  In photos, that sort of view does not always come off well for me because I lose most, if not all, of the depth perception and contours I get from the straight ahead view in real life, so that perspective (the latter) is how I imagine golf holes.

Beyond these initial thoughts, when you refer to "consider[ing]" a golf hole, what is the context of your consideration, or does that make a difference?  Are you talking about architectural considerations in the abstract, or as an actual player, or what?  It might help the discussion to go into this aspect of the question.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2012, 11:26:03 AM by Carl Johnson »

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Horizontal, Vertical or Straight Ahead?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 11:27:33 AM »
I don't see the subtle breaks in greens that many others do. If I stare at a hole directly/ground level, I don't get as much as if I look at it via Google Earth or a map (birds eye view.)

The photo to which I referred poorly was the one from the link to the Flower Hole (the one they sell in the pro shop), not the one that Mac posted.
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~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

Carl Johnson

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Re: Horizontal, Vertical or Straight Ahead?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 02:50:09 PM »
I don't see the subtle breaks in greens that many others do. If I stare at a hole directly/ground level, I don't get as much as if I look at it via Google Earth or a map (birds eye view.)

The photo to which I referred poorly was the one from the link to the Flower Hole (the one they sell in the pro shop), not the one that Mac posted.

Ah! I see it now.  http://www.sentryworld.com/pro-shop/online-store?page=shop.product_details&product_id=10&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0
This is a very strange view.  I cannot really see anything in it from a golf stand point.  Still, some may think it a "pretty picture."