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PCCraig

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Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« on: January 12, 2012, 05:29:36 PM »
As a flip side to Pat Mucci's thread, I'd love to hear about truly great golf holes on bad golf courses.

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Sam Morrow

Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 05:38:07 PM »
I'm sure there are. Of course then the debate begins on what a weak/poor course is. Insert standard eye of the beholder comment here.

Simon Holt

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Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 06:10:50 PM »
Great is a strong word!

I was emailing someone earlier about Kilspindie in East Lothian.  I really enjoy the course but it is probably not up there in any 'top whatever' list.

The 4th hole however, is one of the best short 4s I have played anywhere.  Awesome greensite.

Another course that does fit the very poor bracket is Winterfield, just on the edge of Dunbar.  Again, great is a strong word, but it has one really cool par 3 on the back 9...about the 14th.
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

Anthony Gray

Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 08:13:24 PM »
  The 7th at Tater Salad National comes to mind.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2012, 04:31:19 PM »
Pat...again, really good thread.  I've been thinking about it for a few days and I am hesitant to post due to definitional issues of "great" and "weak/poor".  But I'm going to move forward regardless.

I don't think any of these holes are truly great and I don't think these courses are flat out poor either, but I think they serve to illustrate a point and, perhaps, your point.  And that is, there is some good golf to be had on non-Top 100 caliber of golf courses.

For starters, Old Musselburgh.  Only 9 holes, routed through an active race horse track.  Certainly not the recipe for Top 100 in the World, but still this hole particularly the green and bunker complex near the green struck me at the time and still lingers in my head as a great feature.




Another in Lane Creek, our own Mike Young designed this course in Georgia.  The course isn't "great", but it is really good, affordable public golf.  But the 14th green is really something special...and, in fact, this short par 4 with a teriffic green is a borderline great hole.  Here is a photo of the green, but the green can't be fully appreciated until you play it.  Subtle ridges, slopes, etc.  Really cool.




The Phoenix Golf Links in Columbus, Ohio.  A course right near the heart of Columbus built on top of a landfill and cost something like $25 to walk.  Many of the first 16 holes are really good, links style golf holes.  Now, the course isn't "great", but many, many, many of the holes are really good and super fun to play.




And The Manor, again, in Georgia.  Frankly, pretty awful routing.  Through a neighborhood with long transitions up and down streets, no continuity in many parts.  Again, not really the makings for a Top 100 courses and, therefore, probably not "great" in our context.  But the 2nd hole knocked my socks off.  In fact, I might call it flat out great.  But again, the course is certainly not.

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Kalen Braley

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Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 10:11:17 AM »
I'm not sure if its "great", but certainly one of the best in the region.

Last summer I profiled a local home grown course here in the Spokane area.  The entire course was built by a retired doctor and his soon and it had some odd holes to say the least. For the most part its more or less what you might expect from a out-of-the-way home job course...but the 11th hole I thought was really terrific.  Its a double dogleg par 5 (on the card) that plays more like a long uphill par 4 at about ~425

The tee shot is partially blind and you want to aim halfway up this hill on the right to be left with the ideal approach angle in:





When you get up around the 1st bend the view of the fairway looks like this.  Awesome rolling terrain that plays plenty fast and firm:





From there, the approach is played thru a half pipe to a small green tucked on a bench.  This could probably benefit with a couple of those pines being removed as its a fairly narrow approach:





Here is the view looking back down the fairway from about 50 yards short and to the right of the green:




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Sean Leary

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Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 10:29:44 AM »
I would guess that there are great or almost great par 3"s all over the world on mediocre to poor golf courses. Even if they are great by accident..

Lloyd_Cole

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Re: Are there any GREAT holes on weak/poor golf courses?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 12:51:53 PM »
My home course - Wycoff CC in MA is, I like to say, a 6,6,6 course. Pun intended - the devil in case was I-91 which ploughed right through the original (I'm sure not that great anyway) Ross design. Now we have 6 good holes, 6 OK, and 6 real stinkers. The 14th, which I'm told is original Ross is a great par 4. It's a great driving hole where both guile and bravery are rewarded. The combination of both being doubly reward with a pitch shot second. I have hit hybrid and 9 iron into it. The elevated green is excellently contoured and missing it left is real trouble, right is death, but there is plenty of room to lay up short and chip on. It's head and shoulders above the rest of the course. And a shame the fairway is one of the worst draining areas...