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Jeff_Brauer

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A different ratings question
« on: January 10, 2011, 09:37:20 AM »
I have done several remodels that have caused local or state ratings of a course to rise.  Many other gca's have similar experiences, whether totally blowing out a course, sympathetically remodeling it, or restoring it to an earlier date.

Does anyone know of an example of a golf course that has risen in ratings without undergoing some changes?  Or having done just maintenance changes in house?

Just wondering, pre coffee, on a cold Monday morning.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: A different ratings question
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 09:49:08 AM »
A couple of classics rose pretty significantly as the word got out about their quality if not widespread fame.  I'm thinking of Crystal Downs and Pasatiempo.  Sort of like Royal Dornoch and Ballybunion when the word got out years ago after Herbert Warren Wind's profile of Dornoch in the New Yorker and Tom Watson's visit to Ballybunion when he was winning Open Championships.
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Cory Lewis

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Re: A different ratings question
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 09:50:31 AM »
fisher's island didn't appear on the GD top 100 list until 2001 and has steadily climbed since.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 09:53:07 AM by Cory Lewis »
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: A different ratings question
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2011, 10:39:06 AM »
Jeff, it takes  a few years for clubs to rise in the ratings, at least in GD.  Older ballots are not thrown out. It makes sense that they should, but to eligible for the top 100 45 ballots are need and it takes time to get that many visits. If all the ballots were thrown out it would take it would take many years to get the 45 ballots.   One test case might be Charlotte CC. I think it may rise appreciably in the state, where only 15 are need, and may crack the top 100.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: A different ratings question
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 10:46:30 AM »
Lehigh found the top 100 Classic and now sits around 80 after an aggressive spam campaign to the rater corp.  They did the work and reaped the awards, good for them. 
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Tom_Doak

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Re: A different ratings question
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2011, 11:36:39 AM »
Jeff:

Most clubs today have an architect around to claim credit for raising the ranking of the course, whether or not anything the club has done has anything to do with their rise in the rankings.  ;)  Crystal Downs is a rare example in that they don't have a consulting architect.
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David Druzisky

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Re: A different ratings question
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2011, 12:16:17 PM »
I think I can recall some situations in the past where a course was purchased or taken over by an entity that knew what it was doing and through their efforts to promote it and generally create a better experience tapped it's full potential.  It is safe to say it isn't always design stuff that makes the difference.
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