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George Pazin

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Re: How many great courses...
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2010, 04:00:26 PM »
--By the way Gib, sorry about Skype.  It tends to go in and out based upon how many of us are cruising the SI swimsuit edition at a time--

Wow, do the SI models Skype you back?

Can't imagine anyone voting Gib off, but maybe that's just me.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

JMEvensky

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Re: How many great courses...
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2010, 04:13:17 PM »

Can't imagine anyone voting Gib off, but maybe that's just me.


Not just you--although linking John Waters' films with Harold and Maude,The Last Detail,and Being There concerns me.


Peter Pallotta

Re: How many great courses...
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2010, 04:32:55 PM »
Vision - Ben's word from a few posts back.

Yes.

Strange how, for so many creative types in their later years, it seems that their vision/imagination gets narrower and more stifled at the very time that it should be broadening and becoming ever-more free (i.e. less tied down by a younger man's lust for fame and public approval and financial rewards). 

Peter


Dave McCollum

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Re: How many great courses...
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2010, 05:31:56 PM »
I start this awhile ago, and was interrupted.
 
The question is not so much who has seen Waters’ PF, but who remembers it?  For all of the reasons cited above.  Also, first time I’ve been forced to consider my ample gut as a macabre underbelly.  Guilty as charged, I supposed.

Not much argument with Gib’s points in #10.   I wince a little about the implied arrogance and elitism, but not the substance.  A few years ago I made an informal survey of about 100 public golfers by asking them what makes a course really good.  I don’t recall a single original thought; it was mostly a collection of clichés from TV or other media.  Now I avoid the subject altogether.  Most golfers don’t care about much except having fun with their pals.  Conditioning is synonymous with architecture or design.  Service and product presentation also rank high.  Put a pin in a really bad spot and you’ll have a lot of conversation, but that’s about it.

However, on the two occasions that I have taken every day, high-cap golfers to a really great course they did seem to appreciate the quality.  I have played with plenty of pros who don’t know squat, as well.