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Brad Miller

Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #100 on: February 13, 2002, 07:35:44 AM »
Mr Trump, given your distaste for the homes surrounding your new course, might one assume that you have suggested to the powers that be that they place a strategic mound behind #10 WF(W) to block that home. :)
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Paul Richards

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Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #101 on: February 20, 2002, 02:43:40 PM »
Back to the topic, here's one I haven't seen mentioned -
Mirabel, in Scottsdale.

Across from Desert Mountain, Mirabel is the course that was
built "over" Norman's Stonehaven.
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Dan Lucas

Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2002, 07:29:10 PM »
The Kingsley Club apparently will be eligible for the 2002 awards after getting caught in Nowhereland afte GD's arbitrary date shuffling this year. We opened on May 19, 2001 and I believe we ought to be eligible someday. Eligibility is of course no gaurantee of doing well when the ballots are in. As much as I respect some of the raters, there are others who only care about us paving the entrance road and building a better clubhouse. Shot values have very little meaning to some.

Dan  
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2002, 08:31:22 PM »

Dan,
        I hope the Kingsley Club does well in the ratings, it is a fabulous course and a joy to play. I don't think I could ever get tired of playing it. A must play for anyone going to Michigan even if you have to beg, borrow or bribe your way on.
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Rubin

Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2002, 05:26:37 PM »

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I really hope that Friar's Head is top of the list.  It's as good as anything I have ever seen and watching it evolve has been a wonderful experience.   :o

I've walked it a bunch and for my money I prefer it to just about anything that I have played in the Metropolitan area(big statement, I know).  I realize that it's hard to speak about a course until you have played it but I promise other readers that FH is something very special.   :)

As for the Bridge, I've played it 3 times now and I'd be surprised if it made it on the 2002 list.

Just my humble opinion!  Happy New Year to all.  What a great website.   :D


Bear with me fellows this is my first time on the site but I am curious about how this Mr. Faulkner could have played the Bridge three times, since the course was only open, briefly, to invited guests.  The possibilities are:
1.  He snuck on and played the course in absolute darkness, in which case his opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt
2.  He is a member of the greens staff--the only people who have played the course regularly up til now-- who is being secretly bribed by another aspiring golf course to diss the Bridge
3.  He is really my ex-wife using a transsexual nom de plume

In any case, his prose bears no resemblance to that of our great Balzac of the Old South (mercifully, his sentences are shorter).

Who is this Faulkner and why is he so nasty?  
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Mike_Sweeney

Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2002, 02:36:47 PM »
Mr. Rubin,

As you can see, this site is geared for serious real architects and not so serious armchair architects like myself. I offer my assistance in posting a real review of The Bridge at your convenience! I have been on your property back when it was "The Bridge" and can only imagine some of the vistas overlooking Peconic Bay. Looking forward to bringing GCA to your course. Thanks
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Paul Richards

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Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #106 on: February 25, 2002, 04:50:02 PM »
Earlier I mentioned Black Sheep as a potential "Best New of
2002"

This week's Golfweek had an article by John Steinbreder:

BLACK SHEEP; Good to be bad

The place is called Black Sheep, and
there couldn't be a more appropriate
name for this Chicago area golf club
that will open in April.

The club defies convention and mocks
political correctness. It dares to be different
and knows exactly what it wants to be - a
Pure golf club.

With no swimming. No tennis. No dinner. And
(gasp!), no women.

In other words, Black Sheep is very simple, very direct
and very, very baaaaad.

And that's why I like it so.

Now, I have never seen the 27-hole layout
designed by David Esler and built on 285
acres of rolling prairie some 40 miles west of
the Windy City. But I don't have to in order
to know the track is good. That's because the
people putting this new club together are
doing everything else right. So there is no
way they would mess up the golf.

Consider, for example, the club restau-
rant. Black Sheep doesn't have one. There
isn't a kitchen, either, and no Saturday night
buffets or Sunday morning brunches. Sure,
there is food, with sandwiches and snacks
being catered each day. And, thankfully, the
club also has what it describes as a "large
bar." But that's about it.

The beauty of that setup is that the appro-
priate time, energy and funds can be spent
on a golf club's most important asset, its
course, as opposed to its biggest money pit,
its restaurant. I know from my own experi-
ence as a country club board member, and
from stories I've heard from friends who
have held similar positions at other spots.

Club eateries function about as well finan-
cially as the Argentine economy and bleed
gallons of red ink for what invariably is some
of the worst food in town.

But even the prospect of having fine dining
does little to recommend the existence of a golf
club restaurant. In fact, I think it only makes
matters worse. A restaurant not only detracts
attention from the course, it also attracts mem-
bers who don't really care as much about the
game and, heaven forbid, figure a good chef is
as critical as a good club professional.

My friend Simpson knows this problem
all too well because he has a neighbor who
belongs to a club that regularly features 15-
course luncheon buffets and undertakes
national searches for saute cooks. In many
ways, Simpson would love to take that person
to his club, an old-line operation with a high-
ly ranked and widely praised course. "But we
have terrible food, and I know that's all my
neighbor would remember," he says. "It
would matter not one bit that my course is
head and shoulders above his in terms of
quality and design. It would be all about the
lunch, and frankly, I am not sure I really want to play
golf with someone like that."

As for tennis and swimming, I have nothing against those two pursuits. In fact, I like that I have them both at the country club to which I belong, and so does my 10-year-old
daughter. But I also think it is important to
have places that are only - and unabashedly
- about golf. As a result, the membership is
more focused about what it wants, as a
result, and there is a greater commonality of
interest and purpose. No one is divided by
different factions, and no one is distracted
from the thing that kindled the creation of
the club itself.

It is a fact of country club life that a sort of
oneupmanship occurs whenever the finance
committee starts doling out money at budget
time, and as soon as it reveals its allocations
for the golf course, some disenfranchised
group of restaurant diners will inevitably start
screaming about getting its fair share for a new cappuccino machine, or perhaps some floral-patterned wallpaper. But you won't find that kind of nonsense at Black Sheep.
And you won't see any condos or houses lin-
ing the fairways either. There will not be any
tee times, and rounds will be expected to take
no more than three and a half hours.

There also won't be any women, which
will surely offend some people. Personally, I
don't believe gender should be an issue when
you set up a club like this. And instead of the
term "men only," I would prefer "golfers
only," so you are surrounding yourself with
like-minded folks, be they male or female.
People who know and love the game and will
not get hung up on whether the chicken
salad at lunch is any good, or how many
flower arrangements they should produce
for the member-guest kickoff party. All that
is required to do that - and do it right - is a
very thorough admissions process and
strong leadership that keeps the essential
character of the golf club intact. And the first
person who suggests the club hire a chef or
hold a Christmas dance gets tossed.

But I am not going to let that small differ-
ence of philosophy taint my otherwise high
opinion of what Black Sheep is trying to do.
After all, a club is a club, and if that's the way
the founders - and members - want it, then
whom am I to say they are wrong?

Besides, these guys are black sheep.
And that's just something you'd expect
them to do.
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #107 on: February 25, 2002, 07:09:32 PM »
Is Black Sheep already open?  When did it (will it) open?

Anyone seen the course here yet?
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Paul Richards

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Re: Leading Contenders for Best New in 2002
« Reply #108 on: February 25, 2002, 07:13:48 PM »
Turboe:

I believe it opens this spring/summer.

Since we had such a mild winter this year in Chicago,
I figure we'll probably still be getting snow come June!
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"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG