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Kevin Cahoon

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2010, 06:42:43 PM »
Three rounds played. 81, 77, 79. Without my caddie, my score in my first would have been much higher. I was an 8 handicap.

Steve Wilson

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2010, 09:02:39 PM »
In May of 2000 I shot an 86 while playing off 9.5.  After a perfect tee shot on 1, I didn't hit another quality golf shot until my approach on seven---a 9 iron to about ten feet.  "Tidy," was my caddy's one word summation. 

I made a memorable par on 12.  After driving into one of the bunkers and ending near the wall I splashed out to an awkward stance.  The hole was cut on the shelf and I nuked a wedge to less than ten feet.  As my caddy handed me my putter, he said, "I didn't think you could do that." 

 I had bad luck on 18--twice finding thick clumps   in what was generally benign rough.  Still I managed a hacking six.  On 18 my approach covered the stick all the way but released to five yards past.  Just missed the birdie, but missed it nonetheless. 

Haven't been back and doubt that I ever will, but I would love to play the old girl every day for a month.  I know I would never be bored.  Part of that is the variety of the course and part of it is the variety of the directions I hit.  Two sets of randomized variables would be unlikely to produce homogenized results.
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Chris Kane

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2010, 09:25:19 PM »
I played it regularly as a 9 handicap, best score 74 (off mats), worst score well over 100 in a gale.

Greg Ross

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2010, 10:27:13 PM »
My buddy and I  walked down to the first tee to see if we had hit the lottery for the next day. We did and had a tee time for the following day at 4:30. We asked the starter if there was somewhere on any of the courses we could play right now. He looked at his watch and said if you can be ready in 10 minutes you can play here (looking at the first tee of the Old Course). We ante-ed up and had a great round by ourselves. The following day we had caddies and shot 10 strokes lower. I'll never forget #17. I hit the ball short of the 17th green and my caddy said hit the ball into the bank and it'll jump up and rest next to the hole. I punched a 9-iron into the bank and it popped straight up and landed two feet next to the hole. A par on the Road Hole. I'll always get a caddy there from now on.
It's all about the fellowship.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2010, 10:55:37 PM »
Ken,

On my first trip to TOC, due to weather delaying our flight out of JFK, we missed our tee time.

We were told that playing that day was impossible.

One of my friends tried to influence the starter, again and again and again, but, to no avail.

After a few discussions with him, he told me to go practice putting.

About a half hour to an hour later he told me that I could play TOC with three members, but that my other friends would have to play the new course, and that I would have to break the news to them.

I got up on the first tee, anxious to play, and promptly hit my drive OB right.
I couldn't believe it as I'm usually a decent driver.
Definitely not the start I was looking for.

But, when I holed out on # 18 I finished the round under par.

When I look back at all of my first play rounds I've tended to score rather well, if not exceptionally well.
For the most part I think it's because I tell my caddy that I don't want to know any of the negatives, where NOT to hit the ball, I just want to know where I SHOULD hit the ball and what club is best to get me there on my drive.
For my approaches, I just want the yardage to the center of the green.

Essentially, ignorance is bliss.

I don't have any negative thoughts, only positive reinforcement.

I remember being told to hit at that bell tower or that landmark.

Golf is such a mental game and negative thoughts have a way of creeping into your swing.
Absent negative thoughts, I think one swings away without restriction, mentally and physically.

I remember the first time I played Pine Valley, in 1964.
On the 1st hole, I asked the caddy how far to the center of the green.
He told me, then he told me the pin was back 10/15 yards from the center.
I hit a 6-iron to 8 feet and made 3.
However, when I got to the green and saw how narrow that back hole location was and how disaster lurked at both flanks, I vowed never again to hit anywhere but to the center of that green if the pin was in the back of that green.
Not knowing how difficult that pin location was, was a plus.
If the caddy had said, don't go left or right by 5 yards or you're in deep trouble, would have unsettled me and made the shot far more tense and difficult.  But, because I didn't know any better, I was relaxed and fired away.

The same thing happened at TOC.

Other than the 1st hole I drove the ball perfectly.
On # 17 the caddy said, "hit it at the letter _ on the side of the shed"
One of the fellows playing with me said, you're hitting it so well, hit it at the letter _, which was further right, which I did.
When I got to my ball in the fairway and saw the OB not so far away to my right, I said, "I'm sure glad I didn't know how close the OB is when you take the shot so tight to the right side of the fairway.

That's another instance where ignorance is bliss.   

Ken Moum

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2010, 11:01:54 PM »
K

That was my original point and not sure if you are agreeing with me or with Bogey but I think we have seen far more 75th percentile scores than 25th percentile scores. Granted this sample size is meaningless.

I was sort of agreeing with you.

I think that barring wild weather, a travelling golfer would score pretty close to his "normal" game on TOC.  It has gorse and put bunkers, but the courses around here have the 25-yard wide fairways with thick rough and lots of trees.

K
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Bruce Wellmon

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2010, 11:34:11 PM »
Finished birdie, bogey, par. Shot 80. 30 mph winds.
Trumped by my daughter's par- lip out for birdie/par finish.
I hit the greatest drive on 17. As did she. One of the most joyous occasions I have ever experienced in golf.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2010, 04:43:54 AM »
Last time playing was in June 2006... Shot 72 playing off 4....

Simon Holt

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2010, 05:51:15 AM »
First ever round was in 2000, didnt even have a course planner as I wanted to just play it raw the first time.  Aimed a little left on ever hole and shot 77, just missed getting up and won out of the RH bunker too.

Lowest 68.

Played 127 times and cant believe people dont LOVE IT!!!!
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

Jamie Barber

Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2010, 06:01:55 AM »
I played in Feb 2004. I remember it as being easily as windy there as it was on the friday this week (although my mind may be scarred by the experience), and the air temperature barely above freezing (in fact, 2 days later we got a blizzard and snowed off the Jubilee). I've never been so cold as on the 17th green.

Going out was into the wind and impossible. My partner (off 2) hit a 6 iron from 140 at the first and didn't clear the burn. But drove the 12th with a 6 iron downwind (forward winter tee + near frozen fairway). I birdied it with a 3 iron and 2 putts.

I birdied 18 for a 98 (off 12 at the time), after driving into the valley of sin :) We had a 2 and a 5 h/c with us and neither bettered 85 I recall. I believe the 5 h/c drove 16 such was the force of the wind.

I've got a video somewhere of our drives on 17, the wind was just brutal. I'd like to play it again with just one pair of gloves on!
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Bruce Hospes

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2010, 07:23:19 AM »
Scores of 88 and 84 about 6 years apart.  I'm going to give it another go in September along with North Berwick, Muirfield,and Gullen(all of them I hope).

Mark Woodger

Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2010, 08:27:36 AM »
i played it the first week of may this year. shot 90 of 12 handicap but i did birdie 17 so thats all that really matters.  ;D


My putting particularly from 10ft in was very poor that day.

Brad Tufts

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2010, 10:58:31 AM »
Played it twice in 1999 as a 6.

79/80, with 39/40 putts.  I think the toughest thing is that here in New England, a bad shot to a green runs a couple feet into the rough.  At TOC, it runs 90 feet until it stops, still on the same green.  How many 100-footers have you practiced lately?

I'm currently planning a trip for next summer, and being a plus now, I would hope under generally calm conditions (like back in '99) that I would be around par.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Brent Hutto

Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2010, 11:03:51 AM »
I think the toughest thing is that here in New England, a bad shot to a green runs a couple feet into the rough.  At TOC, it runs 90 feet until it stops, still on the same green.  How many 100-footers have you practiced lately?

During the winter when our Bermuda is dormant I use the putter from much farther than that off the green. My personal best "putt" paced off as just a smidge under 100 feet (I'd call it about 97-98) which included 10 feet of dormant fairway, 15 feet of dormant rough, 5 more feet of dormant fairway, a foot and a half of fringe with the remainder being the entire diagonal distance from front left to back right on one of our club's larger greens. Also dormant Bermuda, BTW.

I practically had time to stop for a sandwich while it was rolling.

Trying to make 100-foot putts is one of the best reasons I know for wanting to play the Old Course.

mike_malone

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2010, 11:15:59 AM »
 Did not keep my score religiously either time. The first I was linked with three locals in a better ball game; the second I was along with a couple from Tennessee. I did play most holes to my handicap, birdied a few, and slaughtered a couple.
AKA Mayday

Patrick_Mucci

Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2010, 12:01:46 PM »
Simon Holt,

I'm jealous.

How many times have you played the reverse routing ?

Which do you prefer and why ?

Bill_McBride

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2010, 12:48:23 PM »
Simon Holt,

I'm jealous.

How many times have you played the reverse routing ?

Which do you prefer and why ?

Patrick, I played the reverse once of six total rounds on the Old.  It is worth the effort, many fun holes.  The first from first tee to 17th green is an adventure.   The green is even narrower at back than front.  Two is a monster, from 18th tee to 16th green, big 470 yard dogleg around Cheape's bunker and the hotel.   The seventh (I think,) from 13th tee to 11th green, into a strong easterly, was a brute with the approach over Hill Bunker.  Disappointingly, Hell bunker was not a factor.  The hole played from 8th tee to 6th green was entertaining; the approach was played over a mountain of gorse!  I personally prefer the regular routing just for comfort level of knowledge, but the reverse is fun once in a while.

Jim Franklin

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2010, 01:19:12 PM »
I played it once and shot 75. Three putted 16, 17, and 18. I had played so well and then totally collapsed the last 3 holes on the greens. Ugh.
Mr Hurricane

Anthony Gray

Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2010, 01:28:29 PM »


  Never kept score. Just always took it all in and did not worry about performance. I did play a match with a local friend against two R&A guys and I won it for us on 17 with a par coming in from the 18th tee. For the average player I don't think technology has diminished it greatness or change the way you play it. Maybe for the best players but they keep moving the tees back.

  Anthony

 

Simon Holt

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2010, 03:32:40 PM »
Simon Holt,

I'm jealous.

How many times have you played the reverse routing ?

Which do you prefer and why ?

Mr. Mucci,

After playing NGLA I am equally jealous of you!  I have only played the reverse routing twice as it was always in my Easter break from University.

I have to say that the regular routing is by far the best but the novelty of playing it in reverse is a lot of fun and well worth it if you happen to be in town at that time of year.  The shots over the gorse are pretty fun...if ever there is a day to employ a forecaddie that is it.  I am sure you are aware that the old version of the old was playing to the same holes out and in hence the creation of double greens with the increasing popularity of the game.

I think playing some of the holes in the true reversal eg. tee off two club lengths from the hole would be a great but rather unlikely course to play!  I am not sure which 9 holes to choose to play though.......

Hole 1. Perhaps play to 17,
Hole 2. 16 so you have to go around the dyke and over the bunker at the back of 16.
Hole 3. then 3 so you have to go over Cartgate,
Hole 4. then 4 due to tricky angle in,
Hole 5. then to the 5th part of 5 and 13 to bring the valley into play,
Hole 6. then to 12 as that part of the green is more interesting,
Hole 7. then up that fairway (12th) but use that whole green complex (11 and 7) to vary pin postions,
Hole 8. then anywhere on the 8th and 10th complex,
Hole 9. then 9 obviously.

Then all the way home in the reverse to the exact same holes in the ground finishing on 18.  That would be fun....
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

Simon Holt

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2010, 03:35:39 PM »
Actually, reading through that some of those holes would be deemed unfair downwind as there would be no real option to run the ball in...would still love to play it though.
2011 highlights- Royal Aberdeen, Loch Lomond, Moray Old, NGLA (always a pleasure), Muirfield Village, Saucon Valley, watching the new holes coming along at The Renaissance Club.

Bill_McBride

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2010, 03:54:04 PM »
Actually, reading through that some of those holes would be deemed unfair downwind as there would be no real option to run the ball in...would still love to play it though.

Simon, you definitely can't run it in on the reverse hole that plays from near the 8th tee to the 6th green!

Steve Lang

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2010, 04:08:39 PM »
 8)  77, ~6 index, September 1996, 10-15 mph offshore winds, sunny & mild

-due diligence effort in advance
-when in doubt went left,
-stayed away from anything with a name
-had assistance from 2 caddies, (as the two guys, one from NY & NJ we let join us couldn't control their balls.. got angry and their caddies really wanted to help)
- didn't hurt to walk some of the course and see it the day before
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Doug Siebert

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Re: What Was YOUR score at The Old Course?
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2010, 04:22:40 AM »
84 in '91 off an 8, 82 in '01 off a 5.  Not a whole lot of wind either time.  In the '01 round I hit both par 5s in two, drove 9 & 12, drove 10 (after hooking my first tee shot in the gorse) and drove just slightly left but even with the Valley of Sin on 18.  But I took 42 putts!!!  I think the longest putt I made all day was probably 3 1/2 feet!  That, along with the penalty on 10 and another penalty for driving OB right on 16 when I got cute with the Principal's Nose, doomed my chances of breaking 80.  I would think I should be able to quite easily shoot in the 70s there, but I'm 0 for 2 and I had weather in my favor both times...  If I play it next time in the kind of brutal conditions I've seen in both my trips to Prestwick I probably won't break 90 if I don't figure out those greens.
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