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Steve Pozaric

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007 Bentgrass
« on: July 31, 2010, 09:40:19 PM »
We are regrassing our greens this fall and the current thought is to use the 007 strain of bentgrass.  Anyone here have experience with this?  Pros, cons otherwise?  We are in St Louis if that helps.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 12:52:18 PM by Steve Pozaric »
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Tom_Doak

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2010, 09:49:20 PM »
First I've heard of it, so I can't comment to your question.  But I hope Sean Connery is getting a royalty on it!

Matthew Runde

Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 10:00:20 PM »
"Seeded, not sodded."

Steve Pozaric

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2010, 10:25:51 PM »
"Seeded, not sodded."

Nice.  I figure the grounds crew will be in white dinner jackets from here on out.
Steve Pozaric

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2010, 12:13:51 AM »
Its popularity is starting to take off. I believe that Medinahs new greens are 007.  Olympic Clubs new greens are 60% 007. It's been used in Texas, as well.
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Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Steve Okula

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2010, 12:28:49 AM »
First I've heard of it, so I can't comment to your question.  But I hope Sean Connery is getting a royalty on it!

Shouldn't that be Ian Fleming?

"Goldfinger" might also be a good name for a grass, or how about "Odd Job", and "Pussy Galore" even better, but I would stay away from "Dr. No".
« Last Edit: August 01, 2010, 05:29:36 AM by Steve Okula »
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Randy Thompson

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2010, 12:33:13 AM »
Steve,
Are you a super or just an interested member? If your not a super is this what the super is recommending? Not sure if this is the right place to ask if your a member, hopefully you can confide in the super and if you need to have this reinforced your best bet is through a qualified consultant in the area. Anything from our group should be taken nonchalantly as a non expert oppinon. Having said that, I will give you my thoughts to be taken lightly! The combination of A1 & A4 is pretty difficult to improve on and most trials throughout the US will support that. The one drawback to A4 is a low dollar spot resistance and once infected can spread rapidily. The 007 is suppose to be one of the new strains that is testing superior to other strain in the dollar spot resistence catagory. So if Saint Louis is prone to dollar spot 007 may be a very valid recommendation. A mixture of A1 and 007 may also be a valid alternative. 007 has twenty four parents so not sure how in the long term, if it will remain pure and consistent. That was a problem with Penncross in the past, mutating genetically over the years to the original parents causing a lot of patches. Good luck!

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 12:43:34 AM »
There's more discussions about grass varieties in club board rooms than dorm rooms these days......On any project, we discuss what grass to use until we are blue in the face.  In the end, the salesmen will tell you how different they are, but most members won't recall in a year what you put down, and in most cases, the results will be nearly the same.  Its not like there is one clear cut winner with all there is to choose from.

As mentioned, 007 has tested well, but I wouldn't rely on NTEP trials as much as other supers with experience with grass in your area.  We looked at it and others hard for a course near Topeka, KS which is in the same general climate (that said, if we had been 50 miles north we would have made a completely different choice)  We ended up using it in the fw blend, but not on the greens because we had three regionally respected supers recommend L93-LS44.  Can't beat that kind of consistency!

Maybe its the consultant in me, but its just hard to recommend newer varieties, having been burned by a few of them over the years. Of all the new ones that come out, not many are like the A1-A4 combo mentioned above that are still favorites 15 or so years later.  While others may test out for better disease resistance, and that is a factor, those are just tests.

Again, I would go with one proven in your particular area at a club with similiar maintenancs aspirations (for example the L93 combo we used is considered a mid maintenance, mid performance grass, vs the A and G varieities, which are said to be a bit harder to maintain, but better in color, grain, etc.)

Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Bradley Anderson

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 06:21:14 AM »
I hear great things about 007. Personally I like the fact that it has so many genetic parents because some segregation is a good thing. And you don't necessarily have to seed more than one variety, or a mix to, to cover your ass from any sort future epidemic.

Whatever variety you use make sure that you don't have shade on the new greens. None of these new varieties have been bred for shade. In fact not one single NTEP plot in the country has more than marginal shade on it. All of these new grasses are being evaluated on sunny sites.

Steve Pozaric

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2010, 11:10:04 PM »
Thanks all. 

Randy:  I am just an interested member involved in the decision process.  I have tried to do some basic web searches and haven't found much. 

Jeff:  I certainly hope you are right and no one remembers a year from now. 
Steve Pozaric

Randy Thompson

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2010, 11:24:01 PM »
Its popularity is starting to take off. I believe that Medinahs new greens are 007.  Olympic Clubs new greens are 60% 007. It's been used in Texas, as well.
Anthony,
Just out of curiosity, do you know what the other 40% is at the olympic club, could it be A1.

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2010, 12:25:04 AM »
Its popularity is starting to take off. I believe that Medinahs new greens are 007.  Olympic Clubs new greens are 60% 007. It's been used in Texas, as well.
Anthony,
Just out of curiosity, do you know what the other 40% is at the olympic club, could it be A1.

Tyee Bentgrass
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Sean Remington (SBR)

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2010, 06:08:18 AM »
    You may want to talk to Tom Lipscomb, GCS at Riverbend C.C. in northern Virginia, just outside of D.C.  The course is being completely rebuilt and I think they are using 007.  I hear good things but have not seen it enough or have any first hand experience with it.


Tim Nugent

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2010, 11:24:45 AM »
I don't know if by "regarding" you meant regrading or just regrassing but in either event, I would guess that your old greens had a fairly high Poa content.  If so, no matter what new seed you use, it is impertive to make sure all the old rootzone be removed/replaced or sterilyzed to insure the Poa seed in the rootzone doesn't contaiminate the new sward.

Like Jeff, I tend to favor varieties with more history.  Since redoing greens is a supposed to be a one-time thing, it's good to have local, firsthand experience to rely on.  St. Louis is one of the more brutal areas to grow grass and it's good to know how well something has stood up to the local climate over a number of years.  And what it costs.  Are there any additional cultural practices that are required? Will you need any different or new equipment - chemicals?
Coasting is a downhill process

Steve Pozaric

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2010, 12:53:52 PM »
Tim:

Meant regrassing; fixed in the original.  We will be going the methyl bromide route to get rid of the poa like a number of other StL clubs recently.
Steve Pozaric

Lester George

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2010, 02:18:42 PM »
Steve,

We used 007 in our fairway blend at Ballyhack.  It is performing very well as a fairway grass.  I would encourage you to look at TYEE for your greens.  I have never seen anything quite as good and if you talk to anyone who has played Ballyhack (TYEE greens) I would be surprised if they didn't think it was as good as any they had seen either. 

Our super at Ballyhack is Billy Bobbitt.  You may want to talk directly to him.

Lester

Steve Okula

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2010, 02:38:08 PM »
Tim:

Meant regrassing; fixed in the original.  We will be going the methyl bromide route to get rid of the poa like a number of other StL clubs recently.

Using methyl bromide, given the proven damage it does to the ozone layer, is absolutely criminal. People around me are suffering from skin cancer so anal-retentive golfers and superintendents don't have to look at Poa annua, for what, the six weeks between fumigation and the inevitable re-infestaion?

The small wheel turns by the fire and rod,
the big wheel turns by the grace of God.

Steve Pozaric

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2010, 08:48:52 PM »
Steve:

Thanks for reiterating your position on Methyl Bromide. 

If anyone has other thoughts on the question I originally posed, I would appreciate it.
Steve Pozaric

JSlonis

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Re: 007 Bentgrass
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2010, 09:09:46 PM »
At Tavistock we used both 007 and Tyee in conjunction with an "A" strain. I'll have to get clarification from our Supt on which we used in the greens and which we used in the fairways. I believe we were one of the very first courses to use the 007 strain.

This is our fourth growing season and so far, both have held up very well. Great dollar spot resistance.  We've also had very good success keeping Poa out of the greens thus far.

Steve...if your Supt or anyone wants to speak with us at Tavistock please let me know and I'll arrange it.

Jamie
« Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 09:11:57 PM by JSlonis »

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