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Ronald Montesano

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In chronological order, here are the albums from our trio's recent trip to Virginia (aka The Furnace):

Ballyhack

Sunday, 7-18...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Ballyhack-End%20of%20Day-7-18-2010-Album%201/

Monday, 7-19...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Ballyhack-Beginning%20of%20Day-7-19-2010/

Stonehouse

Tuesday, 7-21...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Stonehouse/

Kiskiack

Tuesday, 7-21...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Kiskiack/

Royal New Kent

Wednesday, 7-22...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Royal%20New%20Kent/

Golden Horseshoe Gold

Thursday, 7-23...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Golden%20Horseshoe%20Gold/

Golden Horseshoe Green

Thursday, 7-23...http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Golden%20Horseshoe%20Green/

We had the great fortune to play Kinloch on Friday...since Kinloch employs caddies and it was a busy day (for them  :] ), I opted not to take photos.

« Last Edit: July 26, 2010, 02:57:56 PM by Ronald Montesano »
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John Moore II

Re: Images From Recent Trip To Virginia
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 10:22:40 PM »
What did you think of the Green course compared to the Gold course at Golden Horseshoe? I have only played the Gold, on a much cooler day than when you played, and thought it was exceptional. I played that same Thursday afternoon, I think the high on Thursday was at or above 100.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Images From Recent Trip To Virginia
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 10:31:18 PM »
John,

The Gold is a wonderful course...there is not an unfair shot, an unmakeable carry, on the course.  The toughest hole physically was #15, the 630-yard par five.  The uniqueness of the four par three holes (3, 7, 12 and 16) playing over the same body of water, in four different ways/directions, must be experienced.  I can now place three RTJ Senior courses (and I've not always been his staunchest supporter) in my top 50 courses played (those being Crag Burn, Colgate and The Gold.)

We joked that The Green has a number of repetitive par four holes to start, but did enjoy the way it moved, from 7 onward.  The Green is a resort course and is a great chill-down after playing the demanding Gold.  We were fortunate to play Kiskiack after Stonehouse and felt the same way...didn't want too much Strantz in one day.

Ron M.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

John Moore II

Re: Images From Recent Trip To Virginia
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 10:37:32 PM »
Ronald-Interesting you use the word unique to describe the par 3's. I thought that individually they would be really good holes, but that as a combination, they were repetitive, I thought. Certainly a case of where I thought the whole was less than the sum of the parts. That said, the Gold is one of the top 4 courses I have ever played.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Images From Recent Trip To Virginia
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 10:42:24 PM »
I've played Stonehouse twice.  What are your thoughts?  Favorite holes.  Etc.
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CJ Carder

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Re: Images From Recent Trip To Virginia
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2010, 11:38:06 PM »
Ron,

I'm sorry I missed you on your trip down here.  I do hope you enjoyed your stay in Williamsburg - sorry about the weather.  To ask I suppose a somewhat unique question, how would you compare RNK with Ballyhack?  I've heard people that have played both think Ballyhack is a more extreme version of RNK.  I haven't seen Ballyhack yet so I can't comment myself, but I thought that was an awfully bold statement to make.

Ronald-Interesting you use the word unique to describe the par 3's. I thought that individually they would be really good holes, but that as a combination, they were repetitive, I thought. Certainly a case of where I thought the whole was less than the sum of the parts.

John - I can't really find fault with that comment even being a member there and subsequently biased.  :)  I will say that while all 4 par 3's play downhill, the greens I think pose completely different challenges once the player arrives on them. 

Ron - which was your favorite par 3 on the Gold?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Images From Recent Trip To Virginia
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 09:26:09 AM »
Mac,

I would start a discussion on Stonehouse with...how true does it play to Strantz' original intent?  I found the 13th and 14th to be overgrown in exactly the places where Strantz might have shaved them down...the mound in the layup area on 13 and the entire funnel, both left and right, leading down to the 14th green.  The overgrown bracken on both holes prevented golf balls played smartly from ambling to their intended destination.

I love challenging Strantz with the driver.  I played Stonehouse from the tips and loved the drives on 2, 4, 5 (missed the tee deck back right!), 9, 11, 12, and 16.  It seemed that Stonehouse was cut from some extremely dense and wet property and could stand some tree removal/air exchange.  I wasn't nearly the fan of Stonehouse that I was of Royal New Kent.  Of the five Strantz courses I've played to date, I would rank them thus:
1...Tobacco Road
2...Royal New Kent
3...Tot Hill Farm
4...True Blue
5...Stonehouse

CJ,
Eveyone missed us.  We were exhausted every day after playing and barely had the strength to retire back to the condo, pop open a bev and upload photos to photobucket.  I don't think that I would compare RNK and Ballyhack ever.  They are completely different courses.  I will say that neither has a truly driveable par four.  Both have holes of that distance, but neither removes enough penalty to make the hole reachable.  This is a small foible, I'll admit.  Ballyhack had 15 brilliant holes and 3 for whom my own personal jury is still out (they're only great fits at this juncture.)  RNK is fairly manicured in comparison with Ballyhack...there is a wild quality to the Roanoke-area course that RNK has lost over time.  I think that both architects come/came at golf courses from a perspective slightly akimbo, which is never a bad thing.  I am currently going through a phase where most comparison is a bad thing...check out the photo shoots on photobucket from both courses and decide for yourself.  I think that most people would enjoy RNK and fall in love with Ballyhack, always based on the provision that you play the proper tees.

John,
I believe I hit (from the tips) five iron to the downhill 3rd, three iron to the uphill 7th, 5 iron over the downhill 12th and 7 iron to the downhill 16th.  I found them to be cousins from tee to green, yet not too similar.  In terms of putting surfaces, #7 was the most treacherous, with 3 and 12 next in line.  16 was pretty flat, although the tee ball to the island green thing might have been the reason (if you reach land, I'll give you a flat run at birdie.)
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!