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Jordan Wall

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Brown and Beautiful
« on: November 25, 2009, 02:42:19 PM »
What are some of the best examples of courses that play brown, fast, and firm in the US?

Also, what are the best examples of those in the UK?

Pictures would be great.  I remember seeing a couple awesome photos of Fishers Island on here.

Thanks.
Cheers,
Jordan
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Scott Warren

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 02:47:57 PM »
Rye (East Sussex, England) is going to take some beating! (Until Sean pulls one of Pennard from summer 2006!)

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Alister Matheson

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 03:34:05 PM »
I will upload a pic from Royal Dornoch tomorrow morn  think i posted it on another thread a few weeks ago.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 04:32:39 PM »
Jordan,

I thought you were referring to Thandi Newton.

Bob
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Mark Smolens

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 04:57:23 PM »
No pix, but Outlaw at Desert Mountain fits this bill... as does Ms. Newton ;)
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 05:45:41 PM »
Huntingdon Valley can be brown but is "fast and firm" for the most part:

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,42238.0/
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Alister Matheson

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 01:57:22 AM »
Fast and Firm   Brown and Beutiful

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Jim Nugent

Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 03:46:54 AM »
Hoylake during the British Open a few years back was brown. 
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 04:25:58 AM »
Scott's picture of Rye was taken about 10 mins before the heavens opened and brown disappeared for the year. Mind you it was Oct and we got drowned!
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Sean_A

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 05:04:24 AM »
A taster for you wannabe Pests riding the fence

#18 - Pennard


#14 Pennard


#11 Pennard


A few others

Enville - brownest course I ever saw. 




Kington



This one out TOC's TOC!


Ciao


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Jordan Wall

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 02:31:58 AM »
Thanks to all who have provided some commentary and photographs.

Cheers,
Jordan
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Jud_T

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 06:21:11 AM »
Jordan,

It's pretty sad that there aren't more responses of courses in the states, although maybe not for the golf travel industry in GB & I!  ;)
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Kyle Harris

Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2009, 05:44:44 PM »
Jud,

Where are the transition zones for turf outside the US?
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Brett Hochstein

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM »
Sean, that last photo is something else.  I would reckon a putter play to be something akin to that of Plinko on "The Price is Right."  Amazing geology.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2009, 06:57:48 PM »
Quote from: Sean Arble on November 26, 2009, 05:04:24 AM
A taster for you wannabe Pests riding the fence

#14 Pennard



I think "Bill's Bathtub" is on this hole (short left, hidden in the rough), right?   :o ::)
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Sean_A

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2009, 07:03:05 PM »
Quote from: Brett Hochstein on November 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
Sean, that last photo is something else.  I would reckon a putter play to be something akin to that of Plinko on "The Price is Right."  Amazing geology.

Brett

Some 10 years ago Kington was the course which really got me thinking about the imbalanced use of bunkers on golf courses over landforms and gravity.  It really is a course all should see and I am hoping Buda Pests can drop their belt notching for a day or two and make their way to see a truly unique course.  Most probably wouldn't become as enthralled about this style of golf as I have, but none could walk away from Kington indifferent.  

Ace

Yes, your tub is tucked away in a special place, though now the bunker is big enough for you and your wife!

Ciao  
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Brett Hochstein

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2009, 07:24:43 PM »
Well, here's my US contribution.  I have a few more from Kingsley, but I don't want to put off DL as they were more occasion of new project traffic than straight maintenance.



I really wish I would have gotten a picture of Newman Golf Course in Ithaca, NY during their drought in 2005.  I have never played a faster course in my life.  Absolute thin shanks would go through the green from over 160.  That is dried clay with wispy grass right there--undulating concrete.

Let me check my Wilmington archive too.  They might have something worthwhile.
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Brett Hochstein

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2009, 07:37:28 PM »
Btw Sean, are you staying up here as well for the Wings-Flames tilt?  I know I am.  GO WINGS
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2009, 07:53:55 PM »
Hey Brett,

No Grand Island love on this thread?......

 ;D


Hope you're well.....

Joe
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Sean_A

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2009, 08:01:59 PM »
Quote from: Brett Hochstein on November 27, 2009, 07:37:28 PM
Btw Sean, are you staying up here as well for the Wings-Flames tilt?  I know I am.  GO WINGS

Brett

Nah, I am gonna hit the hay.  Its been what, since the 98-99 season that I have seen the Wings struggle like this.  If they don't find a way to win some games, and I mean win from the back and really place defense as the top priority, they are gonna have a dog fight to make the playoffs.  The next month is huge - they need to make up ground on all those teams ahead of them except for Chicago and SJ (barring serious injuries like the Wings have these two teams are the runaway Conference leaders) if they want to avoid a very tough second half of the season.  Mind you, the Wings were nothing stellar back in 96-97 until they hit the playoffs and they won the Cup so there is hope.

Ciao   
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Brett Hochstein

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2009, 08:06:03 PM »
Joe,

Another great regret of no pictures.

I have used Grand Island as an example in classes, discussions, and even my R&A bursary; I find it the perfect example of what maintenance ought to be from both sustainability and playability.  It really is too bad everyone would rather go up to that Boulder place or whatever, but how do they even have the money to do it?  We both know that money is few and far between for Michigan.  Just all too bad.  
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Brett Hochstein

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2009, 08:11:18 PM »
Sean,

Tis true.  I still just can't see them being less than a 4 seed.  Or Chicago win the division.  All that is just too bizarre, but we have hit the injury bug hard.

Tis also the nature of Gary's playoffs that anyone has a chance, and you know that as well as I do.  We have suffered more upset defeats as clearly the better team than anyone else.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2009, 09:46:51 PM »
Quote from: Sean Arble on November 27, 2009, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Brett Hochstein on November 27, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
Sean, that last photo is something else.  I would reckon a putter play to be something akin to that of Plinko on "The Price is Right."  Amazing geology.

Brett

Some 10 years ago Kington was the course which really got me thinking about the imbalanced use of bunkers on golf courses over landforms and gravity.  It really is a course all should see and I am hoping Buda Pests can drop their belt notching for a day or two and make their way to see a truly unique course.  Most probably wouldn't become as enthralled about this style of golf as I have, but none could walk away from Kington indifferent.  

Ace

Yes, your tub is tucked away in a special place, though now the bunker is big enough for you and your wife!

Ciao  

Are you serious?  They enlarged the tub?  Actually, we WERE both in on the day we played in 2005!  It was a pretty amazing sight, since we couldn't see over the broken ground to the bunker, and we were hitting from different angles!
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Alister Matheson

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2009, 05:32:08 AM »

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Jud_T

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Re: Brown and Beautiful
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2009, 06:43:58 AM »
Go Hawks!  >:(
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