[David_Tepper]

The report issued today by the SF Park & Rec Department recommends keeping 18 holes of golf at Sharp Park. Some holes are to be re-routed and a new hole or two may need to be built to create a large buffer zone around the lagoon habitat. On balance, the report is a strong endorsement of the future of the golf course. While the battle is FAR from over, this is a positive first step. Thanks to all who have supported the cause. To quote Van Morrison, "It's Too Late To Stop Now!"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?blogid=55&entry_id=51167

[Neil_Crafter]

Great news David!

[Joel_Stewart]

This is great news.  What has been an assault on golf, the enviromentalists tried to bully the City of San Francisco to close this great Mackenze golf course.

The battle is not over.  The enviromentalists may sue and their are still many hoops to jump through especially with San Francisco.

Furthermore, the city hired golf architect Doug Nickles who drew up the plan for moving the 12th hole.  The SF golf alliance has some other suggestions so those issues will have to be resolved.

[David Stamm]

Furthermore, the city hired golf architect Doug Nickles who drew up the plan for moving the 12th hole.  The SF golf alliance has some other suggestions so those issues will have to be resolved.

Who in the hell is Doug Nickles, and does this spell a potential disaster? What's his track record?

[David Schofield]

I suspect the environmentalists will seize upon the section of the report that talks about the potential revenue that could be generated by creating and selling wetland mitigation bank credits.  I think the total potential revenue was around $18mil (but I did read it pretty late last night and it's pretty early this morning, so I apologize if my memory is incorrect).  Sure, these are one time revenues that will barely offset the cost of creating the wetland mitigation bank, but that won't stop them from trying to frame the debate thusly: "golf at Sharp Park is costing the municipality the chance at an $18mil revenue stream in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, blah, blah, blah."   

[David_Tepper]

Local TV news story:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=7105557

[David_Tepper]

Here is a link to the Park & Rec report:

http://parks.sfgov.org/site/recpark_index.asp?id=113359

Full article in 11/7/09 SF Chronicle:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/07/BAM01AGKH9.DTL

[Josh Smith]

Great news!!!!  Hopefully this is the first of many cleared hurdles. 

[MHiserman]

What great news that someone in the Bay Area supports golf as a recreation and activity that the residents enjoy.

I agree with J. Stewart that the challenge from the activist groups will not go away.  

The activist groups are much louder than other groups, especially golfers(quiet on the Tee, please ).

Please keep the vocal and positive spin going for Sharp Park, the residents, the golfers, the future players, and for the game.

When I have played Sharp Park I have always noticed there are many, many people who enjoy walking the trail around the golf course.

In fact they, the strollers and dog chasers have the lions share of the views from the sea wall and over the golf course.  Yet they pay

no fee for the privelege, nor will they.

Let people know it is ok to lay golf.

[Kevin_Reilly]

Furthermore, the city hired golf architect Doug Nickles who drew up the plan for moving the 12th hole.  The SF golf alliance has some other suggestions so those issues will have to be resolved.

Who in the hell is Doug Nickles, and does this spell a potential disaster? What's his track record?

Is this the same GCA who did work at Cal Club in the early 2000's (when a lot of tree work was done) and recently at SFGC on the 14th hole?  Based up near Sebastopol.

[Joel_Stewart]

Furthermore, the city hired golf architect Doug Nickles who drew up the plan for moving the 12th hole.  The SF golf alliance has some other suggestions so those issues will have to be resolved.

Who in the hell is Doug Nickles, and does this spell a potential disaster? What's his track record?

Is this the same GCA who did work at Cal Club in the early 2000's (when a lot of tree work was done) and recently at SFGC on the 14th hole?  Based up near Sebastopol.

It is the same guy who did Cal Club.  I'm not sure what happened at Cal Club but they either were not impressed or something happened in order to bring in Kyle Phillips.  I'm sure there are 2 sides to that story???   

As for SFGC, I thought Tom Doak was the consulting architect and the work was done in house?  I'm shocked he would be allowed to work at SFGC.

[Kevin_Reilly]

I am referring to the recent work on the 14th hole at SF.

[Tom_Doak]

The work to the 14th green at SFGC was done about a year ago by Jim Urbina.

As far as I know, the mounding to the right of the 14th fairway was an in-house construction based on the new green committee's suggestion, and wasn't done by any architect ... or at least they neglected to tell me about that.  (We are still consulting there, however.)

[Joel_Stewart]

Thanks Tom, I thought I was correct.

As for Doug Nickles, his web site is "under construction" and a quick Google search doesn't provide much.  His work is very minor in the grand scheme.

 

[Kevin_Reilly]

I still believe I am correct, for what it's worth. 

On the original topic, where in the inland holes will the new hole be placed?  Considering what could have happened here, preserving the course is a victory but I worry that 10 and 13 will really get "ESA'd" as part of the remodeling.

[Norbert P]

Why does the WES report only give two options?  9 Hole option and No Golf options?

" . . . this report exclusively focuses on only two of these
existing alternatives. Namely, these include the redesign of existing facilities to limit golf to a 9-
hole course with the associated 65.1-acre Bank on the balance of the property (9-hole) or the
elimination of golf entirely from Sharp Park, thus resulting in the establishment of a 121.6-acre
Bank that would encompass all of the current golf course grounds."

  How they come up with some of the economic prognostications is beyond me.  And the Bank Credit system is mind-boggling. Where does that money come from?

[Norbert P]

Some proposal #'s that strike me as odd. I never thought that a driving range could cost so much. (Bold emphasis mine, expressing wowish disbelief. Or in emotospeak      .  Though my incredulous reactions are not limited by those emboldened.)  
I'm not picking on Mr. Nickles, as I assume he was given working orders for this proposal.  

The New 18 Hole Course

Sharp Park Golf Course A18 Pacifica, CA 2009
Nickels Golf 3-Nov-09
Item 14&18 fariway
remove existing hole #12 and #13 tee others
1 Mobilization $ 50,000.00
2 raise portion #10 green area $ 1 1,500.00
3 reroute road to Archer Club, with culvert $ 9 6,125.00
4 Clearing and grubbing for new hole #7 (remove eucalyptus) $ 8 0,000.00
5 build new golf hole #7 with irrigation, green, tee, bunkers, grass $ 3 80,500.00
6 raise 14, 18 fairway and #15 tee with dredged materials $ 9 44,900.00
7 build new tee complex on hole #13 $ 4 9,750.00
Total Golf Construction $ 1,612,775.00
2 Raise area near #10 green prone to flooding
raise area prone to flooding 1000 cy $ 6.50 $ 6,500.00
irrigation, 0.2 acre $ 15,000.00 $ 3,000.00
sod 4000 sf $ 0.50 $ 2,000.00
total $ 11,500.00
3 Move existing road to location behind new golf hole #7 including culvert over stream.
Road is used for archery club and utility maintenance crew
culvert - double 60 inch cmp pipe. 60 ft $ 300.00 $ 18,000.00
new gravel road 25 feet width 625 lf $ 125.00 $ 78,125.00
total $ 96,125.00
4 cut and clear existing eucalyptus trees for new road construction and new hole
remove trees 2 acres $ 40,000.00 $ 80,000.00
5 construct new par three golf hole #7 at 165 yards.
grubing of site 3 acres $ 3,500.00 $ 10,500.00
golf feature contouring ls $ - $ 40,000.00
green 6500 sf $ 9.00 $ 58,500.00
bunkers (3) 4000 sf $ 7.00 $ 28,000.00
sand tees 6000 sf $ 5.00 $ 30,000.00
irrigation 3 acres $ 20,000.00 $ 60,000.00
drainage 3 acres $ 16,000.00 $ 48,000.00
soil admendment 2 acres $ 20,000.00 $ 40,000.00
finish grade, seed with some sod 3 acres $ 8,500.00 $ 25,500.00
cart path concrete 8000 sf $ 5.00 $ 40,000.00
total $ 380,500.00
A18 Page 2
6 raise 14 &18th fairways and #15 tee with dredged material. Add catch basins and pipe for
drainage. Redo irrigation on the new area.
prep fairway for fill material 9 acres $ 3,500.00 $ 31,500.00
demo cart path 1700 lf $ 20.00 $ 34,000.00
spread and shape fill material 50000 cy $ 2.00 $ 100,000.00
drainage pipe 8 inch with 1500 lf $ 16.00 $ 24,000.00
catch basins 5 basins $ 500.00 $ 2,500.00
fairway drainage 9 acres $ 12,000.00 $ 108,000.00
new tee 5000 sf $ 5.00 $ 25,000.00
soil admendment 7 acres $ 20,000.00 $ 140,000.00
new irrigation 9 acres $ 15,000.00 $ 135,000.00
new cart path 8' wide 1700 lf $ 32.00 $ 54,400.00
finish grade and seed, 9 acres $ 6,500.00 $ 58,500.00
new greens at #14 and #18 12000 sf $ 9.00 $ 108,000.00
new bunkers 7000 sf $ 7.00 $ 49,000.00
plant trees ls $ 75,000.00
total $ 944,900.00
7 build new tee complex with irrigation and cart path addition - hole #13
contour soil 1000 cy $ 6.50 $ 6,500.00
build new sand tees with drainage 5000 sf $ 5.00 $ 25,000.00
adjust fairway irrigation for new tees 0.5 acre $ 11,000.00 $ 5,500.00
finish grade and sod 15000 sf $ 0.75 $ 11,250.00
add 250 8 foot wide cart path 250 lf $ 32.00 $ 8,000.00
$ 49,750.00


Sharp Park Golf Course 9 hole with range

Pacifica, CA 2009
Nickels Golf 3-Nov-09
Item Cost Estimate
mobilization $ 5 0,000.00
1 construct range tee $ 1 11,000.00
2 clear trees in new range $ 4 0,750.00
3 construct netting around range $ 4 05,000.00
4 clear trees for new holes $ 2 02,000.00
5 build new holes #5 and #6 $ 9 03,000.00
Total Golf Construction $ 1 ,711,750.00
1 construct newdriving range tee out of concrete where existing green and tee complex
is located.
finish grade, seed disturbed area 2 acres $ 6 ,500.00 $ 1 3,000.00
new tee - concrete for mats 3000 sf $ 6 .00 $ 1 8,000.00
reconfigure irrigation 2 acres $ 1 5,000.00 $ 3 0,000.00
landscape budget $ 5 0,000.00
total $ 1 11,000.00
2 clear trees in new range area that consist of up to 10 mature cypress
trees. Stump grind and seed area.
remove trees 10 trees $ 3 ,000.00 $ 3 0,000.00
grade and seed 0.5 acres $ 6 ,500.00 $ 3 ,250.00
add irrigation 0.5 acres $ 1 5,000.00 $ 7 ,500.00
total $ 4 0,750.00
3 construct netting around range to contain golf balls.
netting with poles 135000 sf $ 3 .00 $ 4 05,000.00
4 clear and grub area of 12 acres with mostly scrub brush but about 4 acres of mature trees to
be cleared and removed.
4 acres of mature trees, eucs and misc. 4 acres $ 4 0,000.00 $ 1 60,000.00
12 total acres of grubbing. 12 acres $ 3 ,500.00 $ 4 2,000.00
total $ 2 02,000.00

[Kevin_Reilly]

Slag...typical public works $$ boondoggle (San Francisco-style) in terms of the costs involved.  Be prepared for the actual costs to be significantly higher than the projections.   

[Joel_Stewart]

Slag...typical public works $$ boondoggle (San Francisco-style) in terms of the costs involved.  Be prepared for the actual costs to be significantly higher than the projections.   

Which is why the rebuild should be privately managed.  Nickles must have pulled these numbers out of his ass.

If you compare these to the numbers on the rebuild at Common Ground you can see the difference.

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