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Andy Troeger

Designing for Lush Green Conditions
« on: July 26, 2008, 10:04:44 AM »
On the "Firm and Fast--Bandwagon" thread I began to wonder what the group would think of a course that would not play as well under firm and fast conditions. Could there still be good architecture/design features present? Certainly some courses built recently have been designed with the expectation of today's green/lush conditions and may not play that well if really made firm and fast. Narrow playing corridors and frontal hazards amongst other things might courses "need" soft conditions to keep them playable. What are other features that lend themselves to soft conditions?

Can anyone think of examples of courses that likely are better with soft conditions, especially ones that are highly rated?

I'm not really sure what my answer to this would be yet. Most of my favorite course at the very least would have the ability to play firm without losing too much playability. Others like Chambers Bay, Black Mesa, and The Kingsley Club were very much designed for firm conditions. I'm not sure if that's just the sample of courses I've played, or whether that answers my question.

Joe Hancock

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Re: Designing for Lush Green Conditions
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2008, 11:50:05 AM »
I'm not sure, but what about TPC Sawgrass, or somewhere that is mostly based on target golf? Specifically, the 17th @ Sawgrass must have certain limitations as to how firm and fast is ideal, with an ideal leaning more towards lush and soft.

Joe
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Andy Troeger

Re: Designing for Lush Green Conditions
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2008, 05:38:24 PM »
Joe,
I thought of that one, but I think when they did the remodel it was to make the course drain better and to promote firmer conditions.

Muirfield Village seemed like another one, but then again doesn't Nicklaus want firm conditions there too...it just doesn't happen much in Ohio at that time of year because of the weather.

I still haven't come up with a good example.