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ward peyronnin

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Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« on: March 06, 2008, 02:41:55 PM »
Just a heads up ;on the USGA site under Chambers Q&A Mike Davis, the USGA tournament director, gives a fairly extensive interview as to what went into their selection thinking.

Firm, fast, bouncy keep coming up and the other interesting thing he says is that the USGA may be on the cusp of more "modern" venues within the rota as the body of recent work by current architects may represent the second golden age of GCA.

What other modern courses profile like what he is saying about Chambers Bay in this piece and is this what we need to see the USGA considering?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 02:44:12 PM »
Pacific Dunes?

Nah, too short.  ::)

Jim Nugent

Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2008, 02:55:48 PM »
Erin Hills. 

Tim Nugent

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Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2008, 03:04:43 PM »
Perhaps the USGA has come to the realization that by 2015 and beyond,  that some of their standard bearers will be "too short" and will suffer the fate of the Merions and CP's of the world. 
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John Kirk

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Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2008, 05:04:47 PM »
What other modern courses profile like what he is saying about Chambers Bay in this piece and is this what we need to see the USGA considering?

Sebonack, though the few conversations I've had with friends indicate there will be logistical issues.  Can you imagine the nightmare of keeping the public off NGLA and Shinnecock Hills?

John Moore II

Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 05:29:13 PM »
Tim--Which courses will be too short? Pinehurst is around 7200. Oakmont and Winged Foot (If they host another open) are around that number if I recall. Shinnecock has length and wind. Pebble is short, but still...its Pebble. The Black is a beast. Those are the only real fixations in the Open lineup. Which of them will be too short? I think we've really seen distance max out.

wsmorrison

Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 06:46:55 PM »
Tim,

What fate has Merion suffered?  325 players in the US Amateur and 6 shoot 1 under.  That with some of the easiest pin placements possible, only medium-fast greens and rough that was not that difficult to recovery from.  After all, they had to get a lot of golfers around that course.  The course was not at its length limits, nor anything near the setup demands seen at the Hugh Wilson or member-guest rounds.  I've never been to Cypress Point, so I have no comment about there, but Merion has not suffered a fate that I am aware of.   In any case, let's at least wait till it is proven.  The Walker Cup next year should give us a further inkling.

If the course is dry and the conditions favorable for firm and fast, you are not going to see overall low scores.  The way Merion is designed, a couple of players might shoot a low score on one day, but not on all four days. That's the way it has always been in national tournament play.  I don't think it will be any different in the 2013 Open.  If the course is soft, it will suffer the fate of all courses, no matter how long.  The best players will go low if it is played under hit and stick conditions.  The bunkers are not good misses unlike most courses.  The greens, if firm and fast, will require precision play rarely seen on other designs.  The subtle interplays of changing slopes are hard to read, for even the best players.  It is so easy to lose strokes on and around the greens.

For the sake of transparency, I can be accused of bias.  It isn't true...but I can be accused  ;D
« Last Edit: March 06, 2008, 06:49:23 PM by Wayne Morrison »

Phil_the_Author

Re: Mike Davis anwers why Chamber Bay in 2015
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 07:19:24 AM »
Wayne,

When it comes to Merion you are definitely biased, but who could blame you! By the way, everything you say about it happens to be true as well...