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Jordan Wall

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3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« on: November 04, 2007, 11:35:54 AM »
For my senior project I am designing a golf course using a topographical map.
Obviously, the course will not be built, but as an addition to my project, I want to make 3D models of each golf hole on the course.

I have never used software that makes 3D models before.
Online, the programs seem to run $500 and up.

Does anyone know of any good, specific programs to use?
What is the average price range of these programs?  Are all the prgrams $500 and up?
Any advice on how to build these 3D models?

I'll be gone for a couple days, so thanks in advance for any replies and help.

Cheers.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2007, 11:37:23 AM by Jordan Wall »

Ryan Farrow

Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2007, 01:11:20 PM »
Jordan, I would say your best bet is to go with SketchUp. Its a relatively simple 3d modeling program and its free. I have no idea how to use it, as we were taught another program called Form-Z which is about 10 times more complicated.

Here is the website with the free download:  

http://www.sketchup.com/

Honestly, I would try and go a different route if I were you. It takes a lot of time to learn these programs and a golf course is perhaps one of the hardest things to create in 3-D. I'm working on a Photoshop rendering at work that is beginning to look like those computer generated holes in some of the yardage books you see. But I have been working with Photoshop for over 5 years. I just don't think you are going to get the results you want until you are more familiar with the tools you have or don't have.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2007, 03:46:48 PM by Ryan Farrow »

Mark Dorman

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 01:41:15 PM »
I am not sure if this would work or not, but I know some of the EA Sports Tiger Woods ('02 and '06 for sure) games have golf course architecture programs.  

I still use the TW '02 architect program..kind of old school but it does the job.  I'm not sure of the capability of importing a topographical map though.  Good luck.


Joshua Pettit

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 02:33:06 PM »
Jordan,

There is no fast, easy, or cheap way to do the type of renderings you want.  I have used CAD before to do a few renderings but it took a while and didn’t turn out that great, and I am pretty experienced with it.  I know of a program that offers a free educational license, but I wouldn’t recommend trying to learn it for this type of a project, it will be far too time consuming.  

As Ryan suggested you can use Sketchup, which is free and is the easiest 3D rendering program to learn, however it probably won’t turn out the way you are hoping.  The graphics aren’t very professional looking, unless you want to spend the time enhancing them in Photoshop, but that could take a while.  If you do decide to use it, it is fairly easy to import a scanned image of a topo map and explode the contours to give it a 3D effect, however anyway you slice it there will be a learning curve and to achieve decent results will be very time consuming.  

Lets just say that as an aspiring architect I hope to never have to provide my clients with computer rendered 3D models.  Because good design is always finalized in the field, I believe it to be a tremendous waste of time and money to create renderings in order to help your clients understand your ideas, I would much prefer to present them with hand drawn sketches.  Have you considered such a possibility for your project?  I would recommend exploring an alternative to computer renderings, it will save you from a lot of frustration and wasted time.  

"The greatest and fairest of things are done by nature, and the lesser by art."

Kyle Henderson

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 04:16:27 PM »
I’m glad to see you didn’t have any nefarious links open at the bottom of your screen…  ;)

I am not sure if this would work or not, but I know some of the EA Sports Tiger Woods ('02 and '06 for sure) games have golf course architecture programs.  

I still use the TW '02 architect program..kind of old school but it does the job.  I'm not sure of the capability of importing a topographical map though.  Good luck.


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igrowgrass

Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 04:39:43 PM »
What about a naming contest for your course J?

Joe Hancock

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 04:47:09 PM »
What about a naming contest for your course J?

I'll start:

Untucket G&CC

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Mike_Young

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2007, 05:45:18 PM »
Jordan,
Try the program Vectorworks.  they have student packages that are fairly reasonable if you can show you are a student etc....  go to  www.nemetschek.net
Mike Y.
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Lester George

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 09:25:28 PM »
Jordan,

Contact my office on Monday and talk to my Senior Design Associate Glenn Muckley.  He and my landscape architect have been using Sketch Up and CADD to do some really good stuff.

They will be happy to help you.

Lester

(www.georgegolfdesign.com)


Jordan Wall

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 11:14:01 PM »
Lester,

Thank you so much.

Being that I just got back from my college tour, I just now sent an email out.

I appreciate your willingness to help very much!


Thanks a million,
Jordan
« Last Edit: November 05, 2007, 11:27:52 PM by Jordan Wall »

Jerry Lemons

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2007, 10:23:49 AM »
Jordon,
We use 3d natures' VNS
Go to 3d nature.com and see the examples.
It is very detailed and the learning curve is steeper than some.
We import from cad so  what you see is what you designed.
You can see some our flythoughs at rarityclub.com
Jerry

« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 11:52:02 AM by Jerry Lemons »
Times flys and your the pilot !

Mike Nuzzo

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2007, 10:39:40 AM »
Jordan,
I'd focus on the topo plan.
I'd suggest drawing one isometric view by hand.
Many firms do this to give direction to the shapers.

A computer model of each hole might take you all semester.
If you do use a computer I'd suggest using the video game software.
I'm more familiar with the Links version of Arnold Palmer Course Design -- which I think is free.

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Matthew Hunt

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2007, 11:47:21 AM »
Jordan,
I'd focus on the topo plan.
I'd suggest drawing one isometric view by hand.
Many firms do this to give direction to the shapers.

A computer model of each hole might take you all semester.
If you do use a computer I'd suggest using the video game software.
I'm more familiar with the Links version of Arnold Palmer Course Design -- which I think is free.

Cheers


I've got it. Quite fidgety but good. There is a forum for people who build coursew and copy great ones so they can play them on Links. I'll IM you

Jerry Lemons

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2007, 11:52:18 AM »
Jordan,
I'd focus on the topo plan.
I'd suggest drawing one isometric view by hand.
Many firms do this to give direction to the shapers.

A computer model of each hole might take you all semester.
If you do use a computer I'd suggest using the video game software.
I'm more familiar with the Links version of Arnold Palmer Course Design -- which I think is free.

Cheers


one of ours
http://jlemons.powweb.com/rarityclub11th.jpg
Times flys and your the pilot !

Peter Zarlengo

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2007, 12:17:03 PM »
Right now I'm using a program called ArcScene for looking at spatial data. Its not really a design program, and I'm certainly not using it for golf design in my landscape systems studio.

However, it coordinates real well with GPS data, so If one had a handheld GPS reciever they could walk the proposed or as-built features in the field to spatially reference them into ArcScene. It's not very good at graphics, though.

Any architects, builders, or supers out there doing anything like this? With ArcScene/ArcMap or other programs?

Dan Kelly

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2007, 01:54:28 PM »
What about a naming contest for your course J?

I'll start:

Untucket G&CC


There was a young man from Untucket,
Known to Tom Doak and old Photobucket.
All his projects at school
Were 'bout golf (hey, way cool!),
But ... how shall I end this? Oh ... screw it.
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

Joe Hancock

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2007, 04:02:20 PM »
What about a naming contest for your course J?

I'll start:

Untucket G&CC


There was a young man from Untucket,
Known to Tom Doak and old Photobucket.
All his projects at school
Were 'bout golf (hey, way cool!),
But ... how shall I end this? Oh ... screw it.


Roses are red
Violets are blue
Some poems rhyme
But this one doesn't

I knew you would find it, Dan.......

Joe
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Trey Kemp

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2007, 04:08:36 PM »
Jordan-

I would also recommend Sketch Up.  It is very easy to learn and you can do it very quickly.  Once you get the hang of it you can do a green complex in about 15 minutes.  It does not look quite as good as programs like Form Z, VIZ or 3d Studio Max, but it is alot cheaper and much easier to learn.  

twitter.com/TreyKempGCA

igrowgrass

Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 09:07:34 PM »
J,
I found the cover for your scorecard.  And I think Pink Something has to be the name of your club.


Jordan Wall

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 09:27:50 PM »
Thanks for the help, everyone!
Sounds like a lot of work, but should be fun and well worth it.


Sean,
You only wish you had my looks.
And were man enough to wear pink.

Joe Hancock

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2007, 09:30:18 PM »





I knew Bill Gates had a strong grip on the software market, but this is ridiculous!
" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Matthew Hunt

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Re:3-D Golf Course Modeling, on the Computer
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2007, 05:23:17 PM »
Sean,
You only wish you had my looks.
And were man enough to wear pink.

Like the Scots say 'it takes a real man to wear a skirt'

When in  france at the summer I overheard a man to his young son who was wearing a matching Kilt to his father (In a slow Glosgow drawl) 'If anyone asks whats you'r wearing under your kilt say your shoes' ;D
« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 05:23:37 PM by Matthew Hunt »