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Jay Flemma

Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« on: October 24, 2007, 12:11:31 AM »
It's one of my secret shames...but one of my influences is Ian Fleming - and not just because of the golf scene in goldfinger.

Fleming writes lean, crisp prose, but great descriptions.  He is observant.  He tells a compelling story.  All of Goldfinger is great, all of Dr. No is great and the chapter in Moonraker on the bridge game is to bridge players what the golf chapter is to golfers...as holy as caddy shack.  If you don't know what I'm talking about, run out and buy Moonraker and read it and don't forget to thank me.

I know his subject matter is LCD...but dammit if I don't learn good writing tricks from him.  He uses onomatapoiea...he uses alliteration...he never swears...he writes like Mr. Lambert from Deerfield said...long enough to cover what's necessary, but short enough to keep it interesting.

He sits on my most prominent bookcase...with Dickens and Zola and Twain and the rest.

Am I right?

Tony_Muldoon

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 01:30:42 AM »
Jay I think you can make a case.  We tend to undervalue those who’s gift is to ‘entertain’.  Fleming had this in spades (heart and trumps too). I’m thinking that great here mainly relates to whether people will still read him in reprints when all his contemporary page turners have faded away.

As you note his style is terse, economical and literate.  He writes the modern business report or journalism of my dreams.  He was also writing at a time (late 50’s) where he foresaw the appeal of
-   Fast cars
-   Casual sex
-   Clothes
-   Travel
-   Food
-   Gadgets
-   
And every man feeling he could be free from the rules that held back his parents generation.  

IN his life he was like Bond like and that’s a part of the fascination.  He got the work/life balance sorted long before it became an industry.  He was an early collector of original books and manuscripts.

I also enjoyed his two collections of travel writing.


If he’s great it’s because of how priescent he was and how he mapped out the new consumer society.
2025 Craws Nest Tassie, Carnoustie.

Jay Flemma

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 01:57:10 AM »
Yes he did all those things...he was in some form of the secret service, so he was writing what he knew - the most important step in being a successful writer.

He also wrote ***SURPRISE*** CHITTY CHITTY BANGBANG!!

Tony_Muldoon

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 03:08:20 AM »
Years ago I read a Biography by the excellent John Pearson.  I see there's a new one due next year and perhaps it will reveal more about his war time work.



"Though McCormick generally accounts for the biographical factors in Fleming's childhood (his father's death and his mother's strong nurturing) and his restless youth (studies in Germany and international reporting for Reuters), Fleming seems incomplete and distant by the time he has his crucial experience in naval intelligence in WW II under the code name ``17F.'' With these espionage operations still partially classified and permanently obscure, McCormick plays down Fleming's adventurism, with the exception of the bizarre case of Rudolph Hess. In the book's most mysterious chapter (which digs into Fleming's interest in the occult), McCormick places Fleming murkily in the plot that, by playing on Hess's superstitions and interest in astrology, lured the Nazi to England with the false promise of negotiating peace."
2025 Craws Nest Tassie, Carnoustie.

Philip Gawith

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 03:50:26 AM »
Tony, I think he was a member at Huntercombe. Naturally the characteristics you list are common to its members.

Rich Goodale

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 04:29:56 AM »
-   Fast cars
-   Casual sex
-  

Now you tell me, Tony!  When I read Fleming 40 years ago I did it so perfunctorily that I thought it was casual cars and fast sex.  Boy, did I screw up my life...... :'(

BCrosby

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 08:30:13 AM »
Fleming does not belong on the same shelf (and maybe not the same room) as Dickens, Zola and Twain.

A fun, fluid writer about topics that were fun and fluid (at any number of levels). But not much more.

Check out Christopher Hitchen's review of a bio of Fleming in Atlantic about  year ago. Apparently, Fleming had a thing about spanking. But it is comforting to know that he squeezed in a few rounds of golf now and then.

Bob  

Jay Flemma

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 03:52:33 PM »
Cros, just because his writing is a little more pulpy doesn't mean he can't teach us something about writing well.  He's not on that shelf because I think Goldfinger is  A Tale of Two Cities...he's there because he is outstanding at describing a scene and handling dialogue smoothly.  He sets a great mood and he's not too serious...he was deeply talented.

TEPaul

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 04:01:41 PM »
BobC:

How do you like Christopher Hitchens and his writing?

Anybody who could come up with the line--

"She's pissed, she's packing and she's heading for you", gets my vote.

Come to think of it anybody who'd actually name one of his characters Pussy Galore and then make her bi-sexual gets my vote too.

Here's a trivia question for you Jay:

What's the name of the actress who played Pussy Galore?
« Last Edit: October 24, 2007, 04:07:54 PM by TEPaul »

SL_Solow

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 04:11:57 PM »
Honor Blackman;  too easy .

TEPaul

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2007, 04:40:00 PM »
"Honor Blackman;  too easy ."

OK, wiseguy, then what was the name of the actress who played the third pilot in Pussy Galore's dike squadron?

Dan Kelly

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 04:45:28 PM »
"Honor Blackman;  too easy ."

OK, wiseguy, then what was the name of the actress who played the third pilot in Pussy Galore's dike squadron?

I believe they were known as "flying circus pilots."

Their names were Caron Gardner, Lesley Hill, and Aleta Morrison.

The Internet is a wonderful thing.

Next question?

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TEPaul

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 05:05:46 PM »
Dan:

You've got to be kidding me. Is that kind of info really available on the Internet?

Does it tell you the name of the actor who was the 17th army guy to hit the ground at Fort Knox when Pussy's dike squadron gassed the place?

Does it tell you if Odd Job was wearing boxers or briefs when he got fried by Bond trying to retrieve his metal bowler from the bars in Fort Knox?

If it doesn't even tell you simple stuff like that it's not worth dog dodo.

SL_Solow

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 05:10:57 PM »
Great post Tom.  And you call me a wiseguy.  I am honored.  Incidentally, I didn't need the internet.

Jay Flemma

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 05:37:31 PM »
BobC:

How do you like Christopher Hitchens and his writing?

Anybody who could come up with the line--

"She's pissed, she's packing and she's heading for you", gets my vote.

Come to think of it anybody who'd actually name one of his characters Pussy Galore and then make her bi-sexual gets my vote too.

Here's a trivia question for you Jay:

What's the name of the actress who played Pussy Galore?

Tom, I would have gotten Honor Blackmon, but not the third pilot.  Honor was an icon.

TEPaul

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 05:37:56 PM »
"Great post Tom.  And you call me a wiseguy.  I am honored."

You are Shelly? Glad to hear it. Maybe you think it was easy but I thought it was a pretty good get.

Have you ever been Blackmanned?

SL_Solow

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 05:41:25 PM »
Don't ask, don't tell.  A gentleman never speaks of such matters.

Tiger_Bernhardt

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2007, 10:50:53 PM »
I did not know Pussy was bisexual. GCA continues to amaze me with what I learn here.

Jay Flemma

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2007, 11:28:14 PM »
You know, the exchange between Dr. No and Bond and Honey Rider is interesting too.  Here's a trivia Q back Tom:  what manner of death did Dr. No plan for Honey Rider in the book?

Bob_Huntley

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 04:12:25 PM »
You know, the exchange between Dr. No and Bond and Honey Rider is interesting too.  Here's a trivia Q back Tom:  what manner of death did Dr. No plan for Honey Rider in the book?

To be smeared in honey and licked to death by:

Ants
Odd Job
The Russian Lady with the knife in her boot.

Bob

Peter Pallotta

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2007, 04:25:05 PM »
Apparently the Bond books didn't sell very well in the US until President Kennedy mentioned that he had one on his nightstand ("Russia with Love", I think it was). Sales jumped immediately, and never looked back. Sort of the opposite of the "It Happened One Night" story in the 30s: Clark Gable took off his shirt (in the bedroom scene with Claudette Colbert) and the audience saw that he wasn't wearing an undershirt, and undershirt sales fell dramatically.

Maybe if then-President Clinton had played golf at NGLA with Nicole Kidman with one of them not wearing an undershirt, this whole discussion board would be different too.

Peter

Jay Flemma

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2007, 05:04:01 PM »
You know, the exchange between Dr. No and Bond and Honey Rider is interesting too.  Here's a trivia Q back Tom:  what manner of death did Dr. No plan for Honey Rider in the book?

To be smeared in honey and licked to death by:

Ants
Odd Job
The Russian Lady with the knife in her boot.

Bob


Close...eaten to death by crabs

Jason McNamara

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2007, 06:14:19 PM »

Close...eaten to death by crabs

Did they have frickin' laser beams attached to their heads?


For Mr. Gawith and others... how much is Fleming still in the, uh, ethos of RSG and Huntercombe?

James Bennett

Re:Ian Fleming - Golf writer and Great writer?
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2007, 12:12:00 AM »
Honor Blackman;  too easy .

I think I understand my tagline a little more.  Well called Shel.

James B
Bob; its impossible to explain some of the clutter that gets recalled from the attic between my ears. .  (SL Solow)

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