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John_Beaumont

Evolution or revolution?
« on: July 19, 2007, 01:28:09 PM »
I hope you won't mind a mere guest from England taking part after such a long time (seems an age since I posted two pieces on your "In My Opinion" section).

I sat down to watch the Open on TV this morning just in time to see Tiger Woods driving from the first tee - That is if the word "driving" can be used in any realistic sense any more (i.e., two iron off the 1st and five iron off the 3rd).

I remember my dad telling me as a kid about the exploits of Hogan in 1953 and in particular how he rifled his drive at the 6th each day on the bold line between the central bunkers and the out of bounds on the left into exactly the correct position. Wonderful! And now what happens? It's a drive way over the central bunkers into anywhere you like on the fairway (no need to think much about strategy). Then that's followed in Tiger's case with a towering six iron straight at the flag wherever it's placed. No finesse, no subtlety, no continuity with tradition.

The commentators piously talk about Braid's bunker waiting in the centre of the 2nd fairway to trap the unwary and the subtlety of the original designer. Subtlety? No way today. They could carry that bunker with a five iron I reckon.

And then there was the comment about the links looking in perfect condition with its beautiful green aspect. Links course?! It's not the greenkeeper's fault with all the rain we've had, but it looks nothing like a proper links course set up for an Open Championship. It could well be in the U.S. (oops, sorry).

So the first day, or a mere part of it, is enough for me and I get on with some walk and kick the cat in frustration. Of course, I'll come back I suppose, as the usual excitement will still be there on the final day, whatever. But, it's not golf as I understand it any more. All the cleverness and beauty of the design has gone and nothing can bring it back in these days of huge sweet spots and advanced technology. Or I don't suppose so, though some of you may have some thoughts in that area. Even if you have, authorities seem to have none beyond lengthening courses and putting pins in ridiculous places. But, what happens to those courses that can't be lengthened (eg my beloved Ganton and Rye).

Sorry to bang on in this way. I don't get to read your excellent site too often and realize that the issue has come up many times before. Good viewing!


Brian_Ewen

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Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 01:34:48 PM »
John
I am kind of sad that they are bombing it down the 6th , but it is wind assisted .

And its the same wind that I think is making the 14th so interesting .

So its balanced out .

Hopefully the wind changes and whistles down the second , then we might see Braids being challenged .
« Last Edit: July 19, 2007, 05:13:56 PM by Brian_Ewen »

Pete Lavallee

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Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 01:57:18 PM »
What John, would you propose we do to solve this dilemma?
« Last Edit: July 19, 2007, 01:57:35 PM by Pete Lavallee »
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Doug Ralston

Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 03:58:53 PM »
What John, would you propose we do to solve this dilemma?

Well, a good huge oak tree in the middle right beside that bunker.......

Yep, all these 'Links' courses need to flummox those guys are some well placed trees.

Trees are pretty, too.

Doug  :-*

Matt MacIver

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Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 04:03:08 PM »
I'll be disappointed if they blow it past Hogan's bunkers all four days, but we'll wait and see.  

Vijay said the course is the best conditioned course he's ever played in Europe.  What should we make of that?  

JESII

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Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 04:21:30 PM »
That it's probably reained a ton in recent weeks...

Alfie

Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 05:04:15 PM »
John,

Totally agree with your sentiments ! As for your thread title ; evolution or revolution ?.....I would ask every golfer ;
Solution...or dilution ?

The solution lies in the hands of the ruling bodies (and has so for the past century !) , whereas the dilution of golf has been ongoing for the past century !

Enjoy The Open and don't stop moaning about the modern state of golf. If enough of us moan out loud - you never know, the impossibility of rolling a wee ball back in time might just become a possibility  ;)

Alfie.

John_Beaumont

Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 07:10:42 PM »
I’m really grateful for all your thoughts. Let me try to answer the questions posed to me. But first let me say that at the time I was watching the progress at the 6th hole there was very little wind blowing, so it wasn’t helping the players to any great extent. I know that things may have been different at other times.
I’m asked about Vijay’s remarks. Well, it’s always been the case I venture to say that the pros have preferred conditions to be such as to limit as much as possible the element of luck in the game. I suppose I can understand that to a great extent. So the they tend to like flat fairways (no “humps and hollows” as on British links) and dart board type greens which are basically receptive. But, the tradition has always been that the bad breaks, awkward bounces are part of the game, they add to its character and to the character of the players. They also, together with fast conditions encourage players to make up shots, rather than just consult the yardage chart.
On Pete’s question as to what should be done to resolve the dilemma, well I know there have always been long hitters and they have been an exciting part of the game. To refer to my father again, he often mentioned such as Chick Harbert in the States and Harry Weetman over in Britain (he was reminiscing about the 40s and 50s). But, the length now of almost all of the players has become simply colossal through the different clubs – witness the PGA figures and how they have changed over the years. I remember such as Geoff Shackelford writing about this. And this is where the ruling authorities, who have a duty of maintaining the integrity and essence of the game, come in. Let’s take a hypothetical case, deliberately somewhat extreme, but such are often the best hypotheticals. Suppose someone invented a baseball bat made of a substance that meant that when a relatively weak hit was made the ball rocketed 300 yards. Well, I don’t think it would take more than a few days for the baseball authorities to ban this bat. It would presumably be the same with other sports and games (eg new soccer ball that only has to be touched to fly out of the stadium!). In fact, the bat example applies well to the game of cricket, where different types of bats have been banned, including a metal one. But, I’d better not mention cricket to a mainly American audience!
The key then is nothing original. It involves legislation regarding the main factors here, namely clubs and balls. The technology is so advanced today that it should be possible to lay down very accurately the necessary criteria for reining ball speed in and reducing the power of clubs. Another point here relates to spinning the ball. I saw several shots at Carnoustie hit from position way off line in the rough that sat down on landing in a remarkable way even allowing for the rain.
I’ve heard that the authorities may be frightened of the reaction of the club and ball manufacturers, but are we really saying that the game’s integrity can be held to ransom by such people? Surely not. Besides, in the history of the game, lots of clubs have been banned.
I’d go back to my statement in the previous post regarding courses being rendered out of date. Some great courses are confined and lengthening cannot be carried out. I mentioned a couple then. Let’s add to that Royal Lytham St. Annes, which is surrounded by houses. I know it’s impossible to replicate entirely the past situation, but it is possible to rein things in. How I would love to see the pros tackle the architect’s exam paper as originally set at Liphook, Prestwick, Westward Ho!, Southport and Ainsdale, to name just a few. Besides, what a nuisance it is (and for the authorities too!) for players to be walking back about 200 yards to get to the next tee, as regularly happens in Open Championships.
   I’ve written far too much. Sorry. But thanks for your interest.

Pete Lavallee

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Re:Evolution or revolution?
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 12:34:35 AM »
John,

Thanks for your eloquent reply. I assure you that no one is more in sync with your views than myself; golf has lost its balance between distance and accuracy, surely the Ruling bodies are to blame. But you didn't suggest a solution, only the need to achieve one. Here in lies the problem. We are confronted with a complex dilemma, the permutations of which may be diffcult for even the most incitefull to perceive. The key to solving the puzzle, I believe, would be to build consensus towards a practical solution. But we really need to present a case built on  real world solution; as proposed by people with enough technical accumen to be believed. The question is: who will forward the proposal which can truely inspire change?
« Last Edit: July 20, 2007, 11:29:57 AM by Pete Lavallee »
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